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Pet food recall widens AGAIN!


Now they're expanding the manufacture dates being recalled AND adding some brands of Dog Biscuits to the list!

This is getting ridiculous.

Amazon.com is reporting huge sales of cook books for Dog & Cat food though, so atleast someone's making out in all of this.  And a lot of cats & dogs will probably enjoy their meals A LOT more now with their owners making them gourmet meals!

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This is just sad! Poor babies getting sick and dying of no fault of their own or their owners!

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I know. And legal experts keeps saying that owners really have NO grounds to sue these companies for anything other than medical bills.

I know a lot of people who don't have kids or whose kids have moved on, that have pets as their children now.

It sounds crazy, but when that pet is there for them day in and day out, the loss of it is more than just a property loss (which is what the law looks at it as).

I think this is going to force the government to put some regulations in place on food manufacturers, which is good. I also have to think this could bankrupt Menu Foods at this point. The losses have to be tremendous.

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I totally agree JR!! I have 2 children, their names are Sami and Jack. I still don't understand how the law sees pets as things. I put as much money into my pets as most people do for their children. I think pets should be able to be claimed on tax returns (maybe as .5 or something), I think pets should be covered under a family medical plan. Dogs and cats at the very least. Heck, I just dropped $1000 on Sami in one week, that would've been an individual deductible!

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But so many people out there just can't see it that way.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not putting pets on the level of a human being OF COURSE, but they are definately more than property.

The surgery for Ellie two years ago was almost three thousand dollars. People I knew were split between "well you had to do it" and "ARE YOU INSANE! IT'S A DOG!"

I think with me it boiled down to the fact that sure it's a dog, a pet, but what is more important than her life? Is a new TV more important than a pets life? I don't think so. If I can afford to help her I feel like I have to do so. I can sleep better at night knowing I value life over money.

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Pets are not a thing!! No matter what kind of pet you have you genuinely care for them (unless you are an abusive, neglectful bastage!)


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EXACTLY! For example, we recently got a turtle from a friend for free (Floyd). Floyd's eyes started to swell shut, so I took him to the vet. It cost $60 all total, including the medication. Our friend remarked yesterday, "Man, I only paid $25 for that turtle. You could've got 2 new ones for that money." I pointed to Sami and said, "Yeah, and I could've got 10 cats for what I spent on her. But I don't want 10 cats, I want one cat. THAT cat." (Though I will admit, I see Floyd as a pet, and Jack and Sami as family.)

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I finally have a reason to use one of these...

YEAH! What she ^ said!

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IMO I beleive that we tend to become more attached to the pets that can roam around the home or yard- dogs, cats, ferrets..

and that is not to say that we don't love our other pets (I love my fish!) but we try to do more for these types.


ok let me rephrase-- We are willing to spend the extra money on them. I know that when my fish got sick I looked all over the web to try to find something to help. But wasn't much I could do and he died anyway.


-- Edited by Woo Hoo at 14:53, 2007-04-05

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I think those pets that have free roam tend to get closer to you as well.

My dog get's excited anytime I go in the living room and sit down. The first thing she does is look around the house for a chew-eeze or some other item she can gnaw on, then she's up on my lap or sitting next to me on the couch happily chewing away while I watch TV.

That's the kind of thing you really miss when they're gone.

When Ellie was in for surgery she was gone for four days. I couldn't beleive how many things made me miss her. Like everytime I open a bag of something, the crinkling sound of the bag usually has her running to me to see what I'm eating and if she can have some.

When she wasn't here I'd open that bag and feel so sad when I didn't hear her collar with the tags come jingling into the room.

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Woo Hoo wrote:

IMO I beleive that we tend to become more attached to the pets that can roam around the home or yard- dogs, cats, ferrets..

and that is not to say that we don't love our other pets (I love my fish!) but we try to do more for these types.


ok let me rephrase-- We are willing to spend the extra money on them. I know that when my fish got sick I looked all over the web to try to find something to help. But wasn't much I could do and he died anyway.


-- Edited by Woo Hoo at 14:53, 2007-04-05



 Good point, but I think it's more of an emotional thing.  You're much more likely to feel loved by something that can show emotion, such as a dog or cat, than something that's less evident in its emotions, such as turtles and fish.  You pet a cat, it purrs.  But, how do you show affection to a fish?  I'm not saying their life isn't valued, but the level of companionship felt is lower, so there is less of an emotional comittment.



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I always feel bad when I think about how we tend to put more value on cute animals than ugly ones, particularly in the wild.

I mean, a rabbitt goes by and everyone thinks it's so cute and wants to throw carrots at it and watch it eat. A rat goes by and everyone screams and wants to hit it with a broom!

Like it's the animals choice to look like a rat or a rabbit.



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some of my fish pet themselves. If you stick your hand in the water (and they are comfortable with you) they will swim against your hand. We have one that will sit in the palm of your hand. I never knew that you could pet a fish!! I also never knew that I would love them so much. I guess you would have to how we are with them.

This is not a disagreement, just a statement.

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See, I've never had a fish that would do that. But that goes back to what I was saying. You have an emotional interaction with them, so you put more value on their lives.

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I think I always scared my fish by keeping a jar of tarter sauce next to their bowl

-- Edited by Jeremy Riggs at 15:58, 2007-04-05

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evileye no wonder you feel like my fish is giving you the evileye!!

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I've got a pet rock. its like family to me.smile
actually its not really a pet, its just a rock. its like family to me.smile

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This out this morning:

More tainted pet food protein likely imported
Senators learned of possible second importer through industry sources
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Updated: 7:15 a.m. ET April 24, 2007
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A second company likely imported rice protein from China that was contaminated with a chemical linked to a major pet food recall, two U.S. senators said on Monday.

Rice protein tainted with the chemical melamine was used in pet foods from at least five manufacturers who obtained the protein from one supplier, U.S. officials have said. It also made its way into feed used at a California hog farm.

Now, another company is suspected of importing rice protein from China, Democratic Sens. Richard Durbin of Illinois and Maria Cantwell of Washington said in a letter to the U.S. Food and Drug Administration.

We have learned that in addition to Wilbur-Ellis, a second United States company imported a shipment of rice protein from China that is also likely to be contaminated with melamine, the senators wrote. We request the FDA identify this second importer as well as those manufacturers to which it may have sold the contaminated product.

An aide to Durbin said the senators found out about the second importer from industry sources.

If confirmed, that could further expand a pet food recall that so far includes more than 100 brands. FDA officials have confirmed 16 deaths of cats and dogs from kidney failure and have received more than 15,000 reports of illnesses.

The senators letter came ahead of a congressional hearing on Tuesday to examine the pet food scare as well as the larger issue of human food safety before a U.S. House of Representatives committee.

FDA spokeswoman Cathy McDermott said so far the agency is only aware of one rice protein importer, Wilbur-Ellis Co., but the investigation is ongoing.

The agency has said the rice protein was supplied by China-based Binzhou Futian Biology Technology Co. Ltd. but the company has denied involvement.

Last week, privately held Wilbur-Ellis said contaminated rice protein was distributed to several pet food makers. Three of them Natural Balance Pet Foods, the Blue Buffalo Co. and Diamond Pet Foods have pulled some of their products.

Wilbur-Ellis and the FDA declined to name the other two makers. Durbin and Cantwell called on the agency to make those two companies publicly known.

Melamine, used in plastics and fertilizer, was earlier found in wheat gluten used in pet foods. Menu Foods, Procter & Gamble Co., Colgate-Palmolive Co., Nestle SA and Del Monte Foods Co. have all recalled pet products made with the gluten.

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Aaaaargh!!! You know, I'm still not convinced it wasn't cat food that made Sami sick.

When we all move to the commune in Weipa, we can take our pets too, right?

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I think we can Mz, though they'll have to go in quarantine for about 30 days.  

I hope they release the names of the other pet food makers soon because we're all wondering the same thing.....is the food we're feeding our pets safe for them to eat?  

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30 DAYS! I'll smuggle my cats in, I'm not having them locked up for 30 days!

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I know....that's a long time and I've read a few too many horror stories about pets left in quarantine.  But at least we could take ours.......for G-gal, the news is worse......she can't take ferrets into the country at all.  I know she wouldn't go without her "kids" going too.  cry

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That's it, let's save up and buy our own island.

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Sounds like a plan.....I'm in!!!  biggrin

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