This is very sad news to me and ironic that this is the day I post how much I love this family forum. I am sorry that whatever problems could not be resolved. I wish you all peace, luck and love in whatever you do.

This saddens me because as a friend to everyone, and someone who used the forum for what it was designed to used for, this hurts. People have used this forum as more than a chatting and discussion forum. People's individual hearts have gotten involved here. The dirty laundry of one's person's personal life is being tossed around into the other peoples lives. Whether they like it or not.

To be honest, I have never asked to get involved, or be involved with the personal affections of the other members of this forum. I haven't wanted anything more than friendship from each and everyone of you.

I knew the day I was privately confronted that this was going to get ugly, and I offered my honest opinion on how I thought someone was going to get hurt. Who I thought would get hurt, did unfortunately get hurt. And the battles that are a brewing should have been worked out long before it got to this point.

Here's an honest but direct point, (one of which I've been told I'm too honest, and direct sometimes) but here it goes.
You all need to start thinking with your HEADS, and not your hearts here.....I blame one forum member mainly for all the turmoil that has developed in the past week. And I am sorry to say, I knew it was going to end like this.

Please private me your personal email addresses, or send them to darleneapd@yahoo.com

And I am thankful that this forum has lead me to my very close friend Ruby! I love Amanda, with all my heart.

this is just the full moon talking right?  we're not all breaking up are we?

wth?  i leave y'all for a few days the house is a mess! 

Wow......I haven't been around too much recently so I don't know what all has taken place, and I don't think I want to know, but I never expected to find this when I logged in. 

JR, I wish you nothing but the best in whatever project you choose to become involved with.  I'm truly sorry to read that something has happened which is causing your decision to leave.  I hope only good things come your way.  I think of you as a friend of mine, and hope that you'll continue to stay in touch through your myspace page. 

a sad day...but good luck JR...many will miss you, myself included...I'd love to say take a break ...sleep on it blah blah....but who am I to tell you that....

love ya JR...hope to see you back one day...but mostly hope you'll be happy - with no regrets. I'd love to say keep in touch to...but no pressure

Pip x

and thanks JD for keeping it all going for us

I'm with Sparky here. I'm a bit pissed, confused, hurt, and lost.

Here we have something most forums don't. We really do have a family. Like any family, we're going to have tiffs.

I've had my own struggles with family members here. And although it did get heated for a time, we resolved our differences, agreed to disagree, and came out the better for it. And we're both still here.

There have been times when I just wanted to walk away, but some people reminded me of the friendships I've cultivated here and convinced me to stay.

And as a community as a whole, we have pulled together to help forum members in their times of need. I'll bet a good majority of the people here can look back at a time in the past couple years where they were glad they had the support of the forum.

I'll always be here for anyone if they ever need someone to just listen. Feel free to email me at michelle@hartzdesign.com, IM me (I'm MzHartz on both AOL and Yahoo), Skype me (MzHartz there too), MySpace message me (yup, you guessed it, MzHartz), call me (no, it's not 800-MZHARTZ, but please contact me for my number), or write me (contact me for my address).

I have no clue what's going on, but if I knew, I doubt it would change my opinion any. We've got a good thing going. So perhaps we could use some marital counseling, but not divorce.

willy_smith34 wrote:

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agreed....

with all she said....


and if ya contact me through her I will be amazed...


LOL!!!!!

 

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Hey now, I charge for messenger service!

 

not to make light of this because I don't believe this is but here is a Buffy quote:

 "Where do we go from here?"



(sorry doing me best to process, but is hard when you really don't know what all happened.)

WHAT IN SAM HELL IS GOING ON HERE????????  RIGGS WHILE I WISH YOU NOTHING BUT HAPPINESS AND SUCCESS I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHAT THE HELL HAPPENED HERE THAT CAUSED THIS CRAP? 


I seem to remember a fight that escalated not to long after I started here and a forum member was banned from here because of something that went down here. However the forum persevered and we continued on for 2 years.

I am sorry to scream and shout and be bitter but I agree with Sparky and MZ. This cant be happening I am both saddened and hurt that it has all come to this.

JD I hope that you continue to find happiness and hope that you find success in your future.

I have made some Wonderful friends on here. I count each and everyone of you as a friend and hope you can say the same about me.  Sparky, Ally, Woo, Ultimo, Jules, Disco,Ruby, MZ,FF, Darlene, Web, Fuzzy, Ray ,CP . I thank you for your friendships and Hope to keep in contact with all of you.

You can add me to Yahoo IM at bubuinok
my email is  bubuinok@yahoo.com,  beads4me@cox.net and of course myspace.

You can get my address by sending me an email or by Iming me

I do hope to hear from all of you.  I will still be here.

Gary

Mo I am so sorry about your Grandfather. You are in my thoughts and prayers and you have my sincerest condolences.

The rest of us are just as shocked as you are about all this.

JR has already deleted his account

All this just breaks my heart

What did I miss here! I know I haven't been all that active lately, so clearly I have missed what ever has been going on, but I respect JR's feelings totally, if this is right for him so be it, it's sad and I will miss his input massively. Such a shame.

All I can say is WOW!!!!!!!!

I'm not sure what happened here, but I'm gonna miss ya'll.  And most of all I'll miss the music.   Please add me to your e-mail lists (SGMorrell@yahoo.com) and stay in touch.  Best of luck to you JR in what ever direction your passion for music takes you!

This is my first post since JR and JD announced they are leaving the forum.

At this point, I am going to try to approach this logically and with little emotion. We need to start planning where to go from here.

Fact: Many don't know what this is about. This is over a disagreement between JR and JD that has been brewing for quite some time. If you don't know what it is, don't PM me about it, I'm not going to talk about it with those that don't know.

Opinion: I've spent a lot of time working with JR on website stuff and technical things. In that time, this other stuff has come up and he confided in me. I fully understand JR's position. I'm getting that there is a feeling of "JR abandoned us" here. I don't see this at all. Its true "Let ye with no sin cast the first stone", but what are your other options, embrace it? JR chose to remove himself from the situation rather than cast stones and bring everything out into public. I can respect that. Yes, I'm supporting JR because I know what I know. That doesn't mean I'm taking a "side" . . . just that I understand him.

Fact: This issue was fueled by many PM's, IM's, chat sessions, and pure gossip by MANY of us. I was in some of it too. There has been enough "this person said, that that person said, that he did this" that by following the chain, it is a FACT that many have been involved in the behind the scenes chatter. If you were part of this gossip chain, you are also partly responsible. I'm not placing blame, I believe this is simply a fact and I'm hoping each of us can look at our own part and that we can learn from this.


So, now what?

I think we need to decide as a group where to go from here.


Opinion: I've been thinking about this and as I see it, we have two options. If we want to stay together as a group of friends, we can try to continue with what we have here, or make a fresh start with a new forum. Either way, it is going to be tough to keep going as it will be difficult to get new members without the station to draw them in. We'll all have to remain active and be a contributing part of it. I believe we will lose a few forum members who are here more for the music connection than the friendship. I hope, not, but I expect that to happen.

Opinion: If we are going to try to continue with this forum as it is, I believe some things need to change. JD has announced that he is leaving the forum, I don't know where he stands now on this though. I feel that whoever is in charge of the forum needs to be here to know what is going on. I believe the keys to the forum administration should be someone other than JD. No, I don't want it to be me. It needs to be someone mostly impartial but who also has the computer skills to be able to handle design changes and the technical part of it. I believe Mz has both of those qualities if she is willing to take on the task. That would be up to her if it was so decided and she is so willing.

Opinion: The other option would be a "fresh start" with a totally new forum. I have the server and software to provide this but I'm not sure I want to. I'm not sure that I want to be tied to the forum and I'm not sure you want the forum tied to me. Just because I have the technical needs to provide an ad-free forum, I don't think I want to be deeply involved with it beyond that.

Opinion: The gossip has to stop or the drama will continue.Just stop it. A few of you may be getting mad at me now for suggesting that the gossip had anything to do with this. If this makes you mad, then you must have been involved. I just ask you to consider the thought for a moment. Also, If you don't want people in your business, then don't bring it here! If you have to start a conversation with "Don't tell anyone this but ..." then don't tell it yourself. I'm fully aware that I've done that too, but I guess we all need reminded of that now and then. If we are all "true friends" here, then let's all act like it on a deeper level and keep secrets secret and not turn them into gossip and drama. There would be no drama if we hadn't made it drama.

Ok, I've said my piece.


*edited to fix some of my poor spelling.



-- Edited by WebGuy at 11:51, 2007-07-31