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Feelin It....


I think all the nickle and diming- hikes in gas, electric going up.....the effects of the higher cost of energy on the cost of food....I'm feelin it....

 

Life is harder now, some experts say

Generation gap: After paying the bills, middle-class pockets are emptier

Shopping malls are packed every weekend. Restaurants can't open fast enough. Everyone seems to be wearing designer shoes, jackets and jeans and sipping $4 lattes. Credit card commercials constantly advocate splurging and, it seems, U.S. consumers are all too ready to comply.

So what's the problem? Why do so many middle class Americans with so much stuff say they feel so squeezed? If they are dogged by debt, isnt it their own fault?

Perhaps, some experts say, things are not as they appear.

Bankruptcy law expert and Harvard University Professor Elizabeth Warren spent a lot of time crunching consumer spending numbers for her popular books, "The Fragile Middle Class and The Two-Income Trap. In both, she makes this point: Despite all those $200 sneakers you hear about and the long lines at Starbucks, consumers are actually spending less of their income much less on discretionary items like clothing, entertainment and food than their parents did. In fact, after taking care of essentials like housing and health care, todays middle class has about half as much spending money as their parents did in the early 1970s, Warren says.

The basics, according to Warren, now take up close to three-fourths of every family's spending power (it was about 50 percent in 1973), leaving precious little left over at the end of the month and leaving many families with no cushion in case of a job loss or health crisis.


Warren's theories fly in the face of conventional wisdom and those crowded malls. But the premise is simple: Even though household incomes have risen about 75 percent from 1970, most of that is the result of a second earner generally a woman joining the work force. And that added income has been swallowed by rising fixed expenses, such as child care and housing costs, Warren argues. The average family pays at least twice as much for housing compared to its counterpart in the 1970s, Warren says, and in some competitive areas with good schools, housing costs have risen by as much as 600 percent.

Without savings, at risk of job loss
Now consider these factors: Four in 10 Americans don't have even one month's worth of savings for use in case of an emergency, according to a survey by HSBC Bank published in 2006. And with two incomes built into the family budget, the odds of a household getting hit by a layoff have doubled in the last generation. This combination high housing debt, rising health care costs, lack of savings and greater exposure to unemployment leaves many families in a precarious financial position.

Yet before Warren can get policymakers to talk about the middle-class squeeze, or at least middle-class worry, she often finds she has to beat back the notion that overconsumption is to blame for the rise in consumer debt and in middle-class anxiety.

"A growing number of families are in terrible financial trouble, but no matter how many times the accusation is hurled, Prada and HBO are not the reason," Warren says in her book The Two-Income Trap.

There is no arguing that most Americans have more gadgets in their living rooms and more clothes in their closets than ever before. Consider the explosion of the closet-organizer business. 

But government spending data paint a different picture. Take the often-cited evidence of culinary extravagance. While it's true that Americans are eating out much more than ever nearly half of all dollars spent on food now go to dining out overall food costs have plunged in recent decades.  Americans now spent only about 10 percent of their money on food each year, compared to nearly 20 percent in the 1970s, according to data collected by the Bureau of Labor Statistics.

And despite the designer brands they buy, the average family of four spends about 20 percent less on clothes today, according to Warren's analysis. Think about your last trip to Target: Thanks in part to the entry of inexpensive imported textiles from China and other trading partners, it's possible to buy a Friday night outfit for under $40. This shows up in BLS data too: On average, Americans spent nearly 7 percent of their money on clothes in 1973, compared to about 4 percent in 2005.

Two weeks work for a fridge?
In fact, many consumer goods are much cheaper than they were in the 1970s.  A look at 1971 Sears catalog offers a glimpse of some plummeting prices. In 1971, a basic Sears refrigerator cost $399.  Adjusted for inflation, that would be about $2,000 in 2005 dollars, or nearly 10 times the $297 price of a basic fridge in todays Sears catalog.  Put another way, a fridge costs more than two weeks work for an average earner in 1971, but less than two days labor today.

Other household items were similarly expensive in 1971 an 18-inch TV cost $429 (the equivalent of $2,150 today) and a 24-inch dishwasher cost $249 ($1,200 today).

Lower prices are, of course, a boon for the middle class, which now enjoys many conveniences and luxuries that were formerly reserved for the well-to-do. This is the cornerstone point for those who argue that the middle-class squeeze is a myth.


I cant hazard a guess as to why there is such a malaise in this country about current living conditions, but ... we have never had it better, economist Arthur B. Laffer wrote in response to a question from a Gut Check America reader. Laffer is one of a large group of economists and policy-makers who point to crowded malls and high stock market returns as evidence that middle class America has little to complain about.

But Amelia Warren Tyagi, co-author of The Two-Income Trap, and also Warrens daughter, said weekend shopping trip receipts arent the best way to examine the state of the middle class.

"Yes, people are spending more on home electronics, but the dollars just aren't that big," Tyagi said. "Maybe they spend  a couple of hundred dollars more on stereo equipment. But they are spending less on tobacco. This is not to say that there's no frivolous spending going on, but as you add it all up, there's no more frivolous spending than there was a generation ago."

The source of the anxiety
With government data showing that Americans are spending much less than they did 35 years ago on clothes, food, and even entertainment, Tyagi says the anxiety they are feeling comes from somewhere else: the exploding costs of housing, health care and education.


In housing, recent data is most striking. Household incomes have largely stagnated in recent years, even shrinking 2.8 percent from 2000 to 2006.  Housing costs skyrocketed 32 percent in that time.

Even more striking is the amount of income most families are paying to stay in their homes. Banks have long had a standard that said mortgages should not be approved unless the monthly payment was 25 percent or less of the buyers income. That limitation clearly is long gone. The U.S. Census Bureau defines house poor as spending more than 30 percent of income on housing expenses.  In 1999, 26.7 percent of U.S. households were considered house poor. By 2006, the number had jumped to 34.5 percent.

Because of difference in government data collection methods, it's hard to reach back to the 1970s for a precise comparison point. But the rise in house-poor mortgage holders is striking by any measure. A 1975 Census report showed that only 8.9 percent of mortgage holders spent 35 percent or more of their income including insurance, property taxes, and utilities on housing.

The number of households spending half their income on housing an amount that for most would be fiscal suicide also has dramatically increased, from 10 percent in 2000 to 14 percent in 2006.

The cost of education has similarly spiked. Pre-school was largely non-existent in the 1970s, but today many families pencil in $1,000 a month for child care and early childhood education. On the other end, college costs have easily outpaced the cost of inflation.  For example, the average bill for attending a four-year public college rose 52 percent from 2001 to 2007.

Health care costs have climbed steadily as well. According to the BLS, the average household spent 4.7 percent of its income on health care in 1984, and 5.7 percent in 2005. 

 

 




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my co-worker and i were just talking about this...  looks like we might have to ditch eating healthy and go back to mac-n-cheese night, franks & beans. 

i've always been able to stretch a dollar, but it's getting tough.  i've been avoiding wal-mart and staying home on the weekends.  the kids hate it, but if i really don't have to go anywhere, why burn the gas...



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broke, broke, broke is what I am cry

The American Dream has long been changed.

Now the dream is to stay out of a box. hmm

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You made some good points DS! I find myself in the same predicament. Eating healthy foods means the same amount of groceries costs nearly twice as much. So then I find myself looking for some cheap fillers to offset the cost, at least when the farmer's market isn't operating. Gas is getting costly, so I take fewer long trips. Movie theatre tickets are way more expensive, so I rent movies. So I make a decent salary, but it isn't enough for a single person to survive the economic creep that's happening today! Medical premiums and prescription costs inch upward...heat and energy bills take an alarming hike every winter...the foods that used to be inexpensive, like chicken and fresh veggies, are now the premium items! Then there's the new world of necessities: the car, auto insurance, internet accesss, cell phone, a PC or laptop, etc.

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We are setting up a money program and last night we were discussing what catergory our cell phones should be in: MISC or Utilities

We deemed them to be utilities because we would probably drop our home phone before the cells.

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"economic creep." thats exactly what it is....

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i know a lot of people who have ditched their land lines.  we've talked about it, but then we'd have to do w/o internet access...  hmm



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yes it is. (what jd said)

i would rather scrape by than to have the government meddleing in my finances, and you know, this is where we're headed...hmm

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I am considering dumping my land line and going back to cable internet access. I have a cell now, rarely talk on the phone, and yet I bet my phone bill is easily $40 a month....

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disco strangler wrote:

 

my co-worker and i were just talking about this... looks like we might have to ditch eating healthy and go back to mac-n-cheese night, franks & beans.

i've always been able to stretch a dollar, but it's getting tough. i've been avoiding wal-mart and staying home on the weekends. the kids hate it, but if i really don't have to go anywhere, why burn the gas...

 




 I'm a pretty big believer in simple foods- big 1 pot meals with usually 6 ingredients or less....not a whole lot of preservatives...



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garougal wrote:

You made some good points DS! I find myself in the same predicament. Eating healthy foods means the same amount of groceries costs nearly twice as much. So then I find myself looking for some cheap fillers to offset the cost, at least when the farmer's market isn't operating. Gas is getting costly, so I take fewer long trips. Movie theatre tickets are way more expensive, so I rent movies. So I make a decent salary, but it isn't enough for a single person to survive the economic creep that's happening today! Medical premiums and prescription costs inch upward...heat and energy bills take an alarming hike every winter...the foods that used to be inexpensive, like chicken and fresh veggies, are now the premium items! Then there's the new world of necessities: the car, auto insurance, internet accesss, cell phone, a PC or laptop, etc.

hmm



Amen sista!  Everything used to be naturally organic, now you have to pay extra for that.  I used to spend $60 a week on groceries.  Since I found out about the corn allergy and can't survive on Hamburger Helper and Ramen Noodles and such, my weekly grocery bill is closer to $100.  I now spend more on food, and we can't really even go out to eat anymore.

I think another part of it is the way we're taught to handle money.  I was getting credit card offers when I was in middle school.  It's way too easy to get credit, and it's no longer up to local banks.  Right out of high school, kids can get a credit card, run it up to the max with irrational spending, and then take years paying it off with high interest.  They're not teaching this in schools, and kids have financial challenges that parents didn't.

 



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I was just talking about this the other night.  Every week it's costing me more money at the grocery store yet it seems like I'm getting a lot less food each week.  Last week I read that natural gas is expected to take another 10% jump this winter, and people that heat with propane, fuel oil, or electricity will also pay a higher cost.  Two nights ago, I read that our water bills here will be increasing 7% sometime within the next two months.  Oh, I also read that they are trying to figure out a way to add a surcharge for 911 operating expenses on cell phones now that cells are replacing so many land lines. 

I know we are definitely feeling it in our wallets! 

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oh, crap (sorry, ruby)!
i need to order propane!
thanks, ghost, for reminding me...

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I hear here a 7% hike in electric this year, and another 7% next year...hmm

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yes, we belong to an electric cooperative, and we were informed of a 6% increase starting next month (just in time for winter!).  and i just ordered propane at $1.90/gal, but tomorrow's price is going up twenty cents/gal.!

franks & beans...  i'm telling you!


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Now that I think about it, I'm actually saving the grocery store money. I've been bringing in my own bags.

On a totally different topic, the way to absolutely confused a bagger is to hand them your own bags...

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Living paycheck to paycheck gets harder

NEW YORK (AP) -- The calculus of living paycheck to paycheck in America is getting harder. What used to last four days might last half that long now. Pay the gas bill, but skip breakfast. Eat less for lunch so the kids can have a healthy dinner.

Across the nation, Americans are increasingly unable to stretch their dollars to the next payday as they juggle higher rent, food and energy bills. It's starting to affect middle-income working families as well as the poor, and has reached the point of affecting day-to-day calculations of merchants like Wal-Mart Stores Inc., 7-Eleven Inc. and Family Dollar Stores Inc.

Food pantries, which distribute foodstuffs to the needy, are reporting severe shortages and reduced government funding at the very time that they are seeing a surge of new people seeking their help.

While economists debate whether the country is headed for a recession, some say the financial stress is already the worst since the last downturn at the start of this decade.

From Family Dollar to Wal-Mart, merchants have adjusted their product mix and pricing accordingly. Sales data show a marked and more prolonged drop in spending in the days before shoppers get their paychecks, when they buy only the barest essentials before splurging around payday.

"It's pretty pronounced," said Kiley Rawlins, a spokeswoman at Family Dollar. "It seems like to us, customers are running out of food products, paper towels sooner in the month."

Wal-Mart, the world's largest retailer, said the imbalance in spending before and after payday in July was the biggest it has ever seen, though the drop-off wasn't as steep in August.

And 7-Eleven says its grocery sales have jumped 12-13 percent over the past year, compared with only slight increases for non-necessities like gloves and toys. Shoppers can't afford to load up at the supermarket and are going to the most convenient places to buy emergency food items like milk and eggs.

"It even costs more to get the basics like soap and laundry detergent," said Michelle Grassia, who lives with her husband and three teenage children in the Bedford-Stuyvesant section of Brooklyn, N.Y.

Her husband's check from his job at a grocery store used to last four days. "Now, it lasts only two," she said.

To make up the difference, Grassia buys one gallon of milk a week instead of three. She sometimes skips breakfast and lunch to make sure there's enough food for her children. She cooks with a hot plate because gas is too expensive. And she depends more than ever on the bags of free vegetables and powdered milk from a local food pantry.

Grassia's story is neither new nor unique. With the fastest-rising food and energy prices since the 1980s, low-income consumers are stretching their budgets by eating cheap foods like peanut butter and pasta.

Industry analysts and some economists fear the strain will get worse as people are hit with higher home heating bills this winter and mortgage rates go up.

It's bad enough already for 85-year-old Dominica Hoffman.

She gets $1,400 a month in pension and Social Security from her days in the garment industry. After paying $500 in rent on an apartment in Pennsauken, N.J., and shelling out money for food, gas and other expenses, she's broke by the end of the month. She's had to cut fruits and vegetables from her grocery order - and that's even with financial help from her children.

"Everything is up," she said.

Many consumers, particularly those making less than $30,000 a year, are cutting spending on nutritious food like milk and vegetables, and analysts fear they're further skimping on basic medical care and other critical services.

Coupon-clipping just isn't enough.

"The reality of hunger is right here," said the Rev. Melony Samuels, director of The BedStuy Campaign against Hunger, a church-affiliated food pantry in Brooklyn.

The pantry scrambled to feed 5,000 new families over the past 12 months, up almost 70 percent from 3,000 the year before.

"I am shocked to see such numbers," Samuels said, "and I am really concerned that this is just the beginning of what we are going to see."

In the past three months, Samuels has seen more clients in higher-paying jobs - the $35,000 range - line up for food.

The Regional Food Bank of Northeastern New York, which covers 23 counties in New York State, cited a 30 percent rise in visitors in the first nine months of this year, compared with 2006.

Maureen Schnellmann, senior director of food and nutrition programs at the American Red Cross Food Pantry in Boston, reported a 30 percent increase from January through August over last year.

Until a few months ago, Dellria Seales, a home care assistant, was just getting by living with her daughter, a hairdresser, and two grandchildren in a one-bedroom apartment for $750 a month. But a knee injury in January forced her to quit her job, leaving her at the mercy of Samuels' pantry because most of her daughter's $1,200 a month income goes to rent, energy and food costs.

"I need it. Without it, we wouldn't survive," Seales said as she picked up carrots and bananas.

John Vogel, a professor at Dartmouth College's Tuck School of Business, worries that the squeeze will lead to a less nutritious diet and inadequate medical or child care.

In the meantime, rising costs show no signs of abating.

Gas prices hit a record nationwide average of $3.23 per gallon in late May before receding a little, though prices are expected to soar again later this year. Food costs have increased 4.5 percent over the past 12 months, partly because of higher fuel costs. Egg prices were 44 percent higher, while milk was up 21.3 percent over the past 12 months to nearly $4 a gallon, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics.

The average family of four is spending anywhere from $7 to $10 extra a week - $40 more a month - on groceries alone, compared to a year ago, according to retail consultant Burt Flickinger III.

And while overall wage growth is a solid 4.1 percent over the past 12 months, economists say the increases are mostly for the top earners.

Retailers started noticing the strain in late spring and early summer as they were monitoring the spending around the paycheck cycle.

Wal-Mart and Family Dollar key on the first week of the month, when government checks like Social Security and public assistance generally hit consumers' mailboxes.

7-Eleven, whose customers are more diverse, looks at paycheck cycles in specific markets dominated by a major employer, such as General Motors in Detroit, to discern trends in shopping.

To economize, shoppers are going for less expensive food.

"They're buying more peanut butter and pasta. And they're going for hamburger meat," Flickinger, the retail consultant, said. "They're trying to outsmart the store by looking for deep discounts at the end of the month."

He said the last time he saw this was 2000-2001, when the dot-com bubble burst and the economy went into a recession after massive layoffs.

For now, low-price retailers are readjusting their merchandising and pricing.

Wal-Mart is becoming more aggressive on discounting. It announced Thursday it is expanding price cuts to 15,000 items, ranging from Motts apple juice and Progresso soups to women's fleece tops, heading into the holidays.

Family Dollar, whose food offerings were limited to candy and snacks until two years ago, has expanded its mix of groceries like fruit cups, cereal and such refrigerated items as milk and ice cream while cutting back on shoes. This summer the chain began accepting food stamps.

Food pantries are also getting creative. Samuels said her church, Full Gospel Tabernacle of Faith, just started offering free cooking classes to teach clients who are diabetic or have other health conditions how to prepare vegetables like squash. It's also offering free exercise classes.

"We are trying to make them health conscious," Samuels said. "It's not right to give them just anything. Our mantra is eat well and live well."



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And it doesn't help when ****ing Kroger won't cash your ****ing paycheck anymore because they ****ed up. I should put that rant in a different thread...

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for anyone feelin the pinch, having a rough go, I so, sooo recommend reading stories/ life histories of those who lived through The Great Depression. Plenty of them exist. I did this when I was layed off in 2001. if you are feeling down, go & read Great Depression stories. You will not feel soo bad, you will feel thankful for friggin everything you do have, and you will feel fired up to go kick some ass business-wise.

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College tuition and fees rise 6.6 pct.

Average tuition and fees at four-year public colleges rose 6.6 percent this year, again outstripping increases in financial aid and pushing students into more borrowing. Community colleges once again did the best job keeping the lid on prices.

In-state students at four-year public schools are paying $6,185 this year, up $381 from last year, according to the nonprofit College Board's annual survey of college costs, released Monday. At four-year private colleges, tuition and fees rose 6.3 percent to $23,712.

The published price is not the real price for many students. On average, accounting for grants and tax breaks, full-time students are actually paying $2,577 this year to attend four-year public universities. That's $209 more than last year.

However, even the net price is still rising much faster than overall inflation. The net price at public universities is $560 higher, in 2007 dollars, than a decade ago. The five years have seen prices rise 31 percent above and beyond the general inflation rate for other goods and services - the worst record on college prices of any five-year period covered by the survey dating back 30 years.

Prices at two-year colleges, which educate about half of American college students, rose 4.2 percent to $2,361. Accounting for aid, their average net cost is only $320 per year.

A companion report released on trends in student aid shows that over the last decade, increases in grant aid - money students don't have to pay back - have covered only about one-third of the increases in private college tuition and half the increases at public four-year schools.

While borrowing from the government is still far bigger, students are footing more and more of the bill with private loans from banks and student loan companies. Undergraduate private borrowing grew 12 percent to $14.5 billion in 2006-2007. The rate of increase in total private borrowing for education has slowed, but borrowing has increased tenfold over the last decade.

Including room and board for students living on campus, charges for public four-year colleges were $13,589, or 5.9 percent higher than last year. At private four-year schools, total charges rose by the same percentage to $32,307. George Washington University in Washington, D.C. recently attracted attention for becoming the first major university with a published price, including room and board, of more than $50,000.

However, the percentage of college-goers who pay such large sums is fairly small. Fewer than 10 percent even attend colleges with tuition and fees higher than $30,000, according to the College Board, and many of those students receive financial aid. About 56 percent of students at four-year colleges attend schools listing a price under $10,000, and about one-third attend schools charging under $6,000.



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I read someplace that more people are consuming premium liquoir instead of beer. Athough beer sales are still good, more hard stuff and fru-fru stuff is selling at higher prices (and no doubt higher profits!)

Washington Post:
Though beer is still the most-quaffed alcoholic beverage in the country by far, it is slowly losing its grip around the marketplace edges: among new drinkers, among aging baby boomers and among other Americans whose tastes are gradually becoming more sophisticated. More and more, when people kick back with friends and enjoy a drink, they're not choosing beer

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which reminds me (thanks)... i'm out of brandy...

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