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Our Poor Prisoners. :.(


Hold the jelly or the bread

With prices rising, prisoners see cuts in staples and extras, such as coffee

By RAQUEL RUTLEDGE
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Posted: May 1, 2008
If Wisconsin prisoners seem a little sluggish and perhaps a bit irritable these days, it could be because they haven't had their coffee.

As global food prices soar, corrections facilities across the country and in Wisconsin are trimming some of the extras from their menus and devising other creative ways to save cash.

Behind bars in Clark County, Wash., jelly has vanished from peanut butter and jelly sandwiches.

Bread is becoming luxury of sorts for inmates in Wisconsin.

And those locked in the Milwaukee County jail could soon see dessert disappear.

"Why should they get dessert?" said Milwaukee County Sheriff David A. Clarke Jr. "I don't even get dessert every day at home. . . . They have to absorb this, too."

Clarke said he'll also look at swapping hot meals for cold and making other cuts when the department's contract with food service giant Aramark expires in the fall.

"As long as the taxpayers have to struggle with rising food costs and eat more Hamburger Helper, as long as they have to adjust their living and eating habits, why should they have to pay increased costs for people who have disregarded society's rules?"

The overall price of food jumped 4.5% from March 2007 to March 2008, and certain foods skyrocketed during the same period, according to the Department of Labor. Eggs shot up 30% for example, and milk jumped 13%.

Food costs for the Wisconsin Department of Corrections have jumped about 12% to $1.11 per meal so far in 2008, said Earl Fischer, administrator for the department's division of management services.

And although for the first time in three years the state boosted the budget in anticipation of cost increases, Fischer said food service workers have still had to make adjustments to the menu to meet the budget.

"It's a challenge," Fischer said. "We're doing some creative things."

For one, the department is mixing soy into some of its meat mixtures.

In addition, it is cutting back on chicken and turkey and rationing bread, Fischer said.

Inmates are still receiving calorically and nutritionally adequate meals with the proper vitamins and proteins, Fischer said.

The department has also expanded its gardening program, increasing the sizes and numbers of gardens throughout the system.

So far the department has cut coffee from about half its facilities and is gradually weaning inmates at the remaining sites.

"There's no health value in coffee," he said.

Ricky Clark, president of the Association of Correctional Food Service Affiliates, said he wouldn't dare stop brewing coffee for inmates in the Virginia Department of Corrections facilities.

"It's the highlight of their day," Clark said. "We refused to do that. They automatically become irritable and harder to control."

Clark said they've taken other measures in Virginia, such as less frequent ordering and more freezing of food.

They've already been watering down milk into a "milk product," so there's no place to cut there.

"It's about as low as we can go," he said.

Angela Sewel recently spent 18 months at Wisconsin's Taycheedah Correctional Institution.

Sewel started noticing changes on her food tray before she was released in October.

"We used to get two slices of bread, then we got one. We only got a half a scoop of vegetables instead of a full scoop," she said. "They ran out of milk . . . the soda was being watered down. They really cut back."

Not a wise move, said Charles Sullivan, executive director of Citizens United for Rehabilitation of Errants. Meals are more than physical necessities, they can affect inmates' mental well-being, Sullivan said.

"Eating is the most important event of the day that inmates look forward to," he said. Making undesirable changes such as cutting dessert can cause a "great deal of unrest . . . and be very detrimental," he said.

In Clark Co., Wash., where jailers cut the jelly from the peanut butter and jelly sandwiches, food services manager Clark Campbell said he's looked for other ways besides food to save money, such as ditching disposable cups.

"You're in a corner. I've still got people to feed and a nutritional line to hold," Campbell said. "Everybody is just trying to ride this."



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This is why I love David Clarke. He & Scott Walker seem to be the only two people in our local government that think straight and don't just feel like every expense should be ok'd and the cost passed along to the tax payer.

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I like that- "I don't even get dessert every day!? what the hell?" attitude. smile

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How bout the guy from Virginia "We can't take their coffee, they become irritable"

Hey! YA KNOW WHAT'LL CALM EM' DOWN!!! A GOOD TAZERIN'!!!!

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Here in Illinois they outlawed smoking at the prisons. You want to talk about irritable? Try having about a thousand nicotine deprived prisoners crying about losing their smokes. weirdface.gif
I know that in Illinois they also limit the amount of toilet paper they are given. One roll a week at some prisons.

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I know a few years ago they were talking about cutting out the excerise equipment use at some prison here. too many people were getting beaten up with dumbells (by dumbells...) and stuff.
thats a real shame kinda. take away the coffee & smokes, but they should be able to excercise....hmm   

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Yeah, but you have all of these inmates in the same prison using the same equipment, sweating over it and not cleaning it up. MRSA is rampant in there and I know that the exercise equipment doesn't help that at all. Also, I don't want them to bulk up for when they get out. I'm a tiny little woman (Monica, Friends episode) and they don't need to be stronger for the next time. Ya know?

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yea, thats a good point.smile

these chumps would be living off of bread and water if I had any say in it. well, maybe not bread, I guess thats expensive, according to the article...smile

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I say reduce the cell size to 2 foot by 1 foot. Let em' sleep standing up.

We'll be able to multiply our prison space by about 50 times and there won't be any trouble because they can't move enough to cause any trouble.

These frickin' animals didn't care about the people they murdered, raped, shot, stabbed, etc. I don't care about them.

No coffee? Poor baby. No exercise? Poor baby.

Guess what, you're frickin' victim is dead and has NO ANYTHING anymore!

-- Edited by Jeremy Riggs at 12:21, 2008-05-02

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Jeremy Riggs wrote:

I say reduce the cell size to 2 foot by 1 foot. Let em' sleep standing up.

We'll be able to multiply our prison space by about 50 times and there won't be any trouble because they can't move enough to cause any trouble.

These frickin' animals didn't care about the people they murdered, raped, shot, stabbed, etc. I don't care about them.

No coffee? Poor baby. No exercise? Poor baby.

Guess what, you're frickin' victim is dead and has NO ANYTHING anymore!

-- Edited by Jeremy Riggs at 12:21, 2008-05-02




 lol if you ever move to mexico, I'm sure you could be a great warden.biggrin



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Wait a minute, JR. I read that post and it was quite saucy. What the heck did you edit out of it? smile.gif

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lol. I just fixed a typo Trish.

When I get going on a good rant I tend to make typos. I had typed MULTIPLE instead of MULTIPLY.

Of course, all my rants are SOMEWHAT tongue in cheek. But when it comes to this subject I do get awful tired of hearing about prisoners rights hmm.gif

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Oh, you don't have to tell me twice. They have more rights than the corrections officers. In some prisons in Illinois they get hot plates. WTF? Also, the whole television thing? They don't need television. I think of all the libs out there forget that they are there to be PUNISHED. Some of them live better on the inside than they did on the outside. (I mean at work camps and places like that. Obviously having a boyfriend named Chip would be considered NOT better than the outside.)

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Right on with the TV. Give em' books. Let em' learn something while they're in there.

I know some people still make the argument that we're not doing enough to rehabilitate these people, but the reality is we don't have the time or money to force a rehabilitation on these losers.

You're absolutely right about some of them having it better on the inside than on the outside. I have read more than one story about a prisoner actually committing a crime to be able to go BACK to prison.

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Jeremy Riggs wrote:
You're absolutely right about some of them having it better on the inside than on the outside. I have read more than one story about a prisoner actually committing a crime to be able to go BACK to prison.


 that's pretty much what my husband's cousin did when he killed Grandma. cry



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Jeremy Riggs wrote:
You're absolutely right about some of them having it better on the inside than on the outside. I have read more than one story about a prisoner actually committing a crime to be able to go BACK to prison.


that's pretty much what my husband's cousin did when he killed Grandma. cry

 




 no.gif  Beyond disturbing  no.gif



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I once knew a kid, lived a couple doors down from us, who I think was actually happier in prison.

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This was an article on our previous sheriffclap.gif

Chapter One: The Second Toughest Sheriff in America


"The liberal approach of coddling criminals didn't work and never will." President Ronald Reagan

Sheriff Gerald Hege liked to boast that he ran the toughest - and pinkest -- jail in America. It was definitely the pinkest but maybe only the second toughest. From his sleepy, small town base in Lexington, North Carolina, self-described Barbecue Capital of the World, Hege turned himself into a national TV personality by striving for the unofficial title of meanest, baddest, roughest, toughest sheriff in America. He was also possibly the only one to have his own theme song, "The Man in Black."

"All you bad guys had better leave town
Sheriff Hege's not fooling around
Your days of breaking the law are through
When the Man in Black comes after you
(Spoken) That's right. He's got that big stick.
Go 'head and make his day.

He sure loves the smell of handcuffs in the morning."
Hege was narrowly elected sheriff of Davidson County, a mainly rural area located in the middle of the state, in the big national Republican landslide of 1994. He quickly made a mark by painting the inside of the 300-bed county jail bright pink with blue pictures of weeping teddy bears on the walls to make inmates feel like sissies. It was the height of the "get tough on crime" movement sweeping the nation and Hege's testosterone-soaked image perfectly fit the moment. He wore a black, paramilitary-style uniform and was often photographed wielding a five-foot-long stick or a semi-automatic. He designed a new logo for the Sheriff's Department -- a spider's web with a big arachnid in its center -- and he had a giant silver spider painted on the hood of his personal squad car, a souped up, Nascar-style 1995 Chevy Impala with a Corvette engine.

On his Internet site, Hege sold a line of posters featuring himself in various threatening attitudes. There was Hege and his men busting a drugs trafficker on the Interstate; Hege standing by his spider car brandishing a semi-automatic while prisoners wearing striped uniforms cleaned up trash; Hege wearing dark glasses holding his stick with three officers similarly dressed arrayed behind him with assault rifles; Hege about to lead a squad of police dressed in full riot gear into action. It was all part of his pledge to make what he called "Hegecountry" a safe and fine place to live for law-abiding citizens and a living hell for 'scumbags."

The posters had slogans like, "Do the crime, scumbag, and you'll do the time," and "Resistance is futile." There was also a variety of other merchandise for sale on the Internet site: spider web T-shirts, toy spider cars, Hege statuettes and coffee mugs, CDs with the theme song -- even Sheriff Hege's Lexington style barbecue dip. The proceeds went to a police charity.
A county sheriff like Hege is the closest thing America has to a feudal baron. As long as he keeps public confidence and doesn't mess up too badly, there are few constraints on his powers. He has no boss; he reports directly to the voters. Residents of Davidson County liked Hege's style and re-elected him in 1998 by more than 5,000 votes. In 2002, after three of his own trusted deputies were busted by federal agents for dealing in cocaine, marijuana, anabolic steroids and Ecstasy, he still won by around 1,700 votes. All three were convicted and sent to prison.

While cultivating his own macho image, Hege feminized inmates of his jail by making them wear striped uniforms -- baby blue for those charged with misdemeanors, lime green for sex offenders, pastel orange for accused felons and black for the road crew which worked outside the jail. He kept many inmates locked in their cells 23 hours a day. There were no exercise facilities, no television, no cigarettes, no coffee, no pencils or pens and no magazines. Books were censured; only Bibles and other approved texts were allowed. Family visits were limited to 10 minutes a week, with no physical contact between the inmate and his loved ones.

Never mind that many inmates had not been convicted of anything and were in jail awaiting trial because they could not make bail. Never mind that many of those who had been convicted were serving relatively short sentences for misdemeanors. "It's not my responsibility as sheriff to be concerned about whether they are guilty or innocent," Hege said. "Ninety nine percent of the people I have in my jail are guilty of whatever they've been charged with. Very few can be rehabilitated and it's not worth trying."

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