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Why guys go for women that are "out of their league"


Its a rule, bartender Karen Brody says: The schlubbier the guy, the more likely he is to persistently pursue a pretty woman.

Brody a lithe, slender Woodstown, N.J., bartender who looks at least a decade younger than her 47 years recalls the time she was being "entertained" by a paunchy trucker with several missing front teeth. As the night wore on, he slumped to one side and eventually toppled off his barstool. When she raced around to make sure he was OK, the plump patron immediately resumed his pick-up patter from the floor.

Sadly, the pudgy trucker isn't just an aberration, and the come-ons aren't just the after-effects of alcohol. A new study confirms what women say they've known all along: Men, no matter how unattractive, think theyve got a chance with a runway model.

The proof was in the matchmaking Web site HOTorNOT.com, a site where members rate each others' "hotness." The site offered a treasure trove of data: It contained information not only on dating habits of its members, but also on the members opinions of their own attractiveness and the "hotness" of potential dates, according to a study published in a recent issue of Psychological Science.

Researchers studied ratings and dating information from 16,550 members during a 10-day period in 2005. All members studied were heterosexual, with 75 percent males and 25 percent female.

Using this data, they determined that the physical attractiveness of a potential mate was more important to men than women. And men were less likely than women to think that their own lack of attractiveness based both on a self assessment and the ratings of others should stand in the way of a date with someone "hot."

Maybe men think women have all read "The Frog Prince" and taken it to heart, allowing us to look past an ugly exterior in the search for inner beauty. Or perhaps its that men have internalized the messages in the popular media: movies like "Knocked Up," where the slacker hero lands a beautiful babe, or TV shows like "According to Jim," in which a difficult, slobby guy is coupled with a gorgeous wife.

The lead author of the study, Leonard Lee, an assistant professor at Columbias Graduate School of Business, thinks these far-fetched movie and TV couples might explain why unfortunate-looking men tend to hold out such high hopes. But he wonders whether the unattractive guys eventually learn that their chances are slim regardless of what they see on screen. Theres another important finding in the study, he says: The 10s among us, both male and female, want only to date other 10s.

There are hints in the HOTorNOT.com data that suggest men do learn to accept their limitations: They apparently hedge their bets by asking for more dates. In fact, the men in the study requested a full 240 percent more dates than the women. Researchers didn't look at how many of these online come-ons were successful, but the number of dates most men asked for might be a sign that the less attractive among us even the men recognize that they may have to settle for dating someone who is closer to them on the "hotness" scale.

"Good looking people are always looking for other good looking people," says Helen Fisher, a professor at Rutgers University who studies mating behavior and romantic love.

"And ultimately, men figure their own good looks are not as important as a womans," says Fisher, who wasn't involved with the study. "They figure theyre selling a whole lot of things that women want that arent associated with being attractive."

Besides, from an evolutionary perspective, men are simply looking for the woman most likely to produce a strong healthy baby so that means theyre often focused on physical attractiveness.

"Men might as well reach for the stars," says William Pollack, a Harvard University psychologist and the director of the Center for Men and Young Men at McLean Hospital. "Women are the ones who going to have the baby. They need to be a little more picky."

In the end, there might be some signs that boorish boys know theyre overreaching that may be expressed in the level of their braggadocio.

When a really attractive man is interested in a date, Brody says, hes quieter and more cautious. "Hell come back a bunch of times and try to get to know me before asking," she adds.



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Why do people always rip on Jim Belushi being paired up with Courtney Thorne-Smith?

I mean granted, Jim is no male model, but come on, the guys not BAD looking is he? On the show he's hard working, kind-hearted, and yeah, for the purpose of the show always getting into trouble. But I would think most women would be pretty happy with the guy.

Am I wrong? Ladies?

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yes your wrong nod.gif he is nothing to look at.

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Wow. Harsh. Poor Jim Belushi no.gif

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He is not for me but I do not find him appalling. I'm sure his charm and humor could make him more appealing too.

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tv is fantasy land where something like that pairing could take place...

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Exactly, Woo. A lot of really attractive women will go for the average guy under those circumstances. Most of them have spent time going out with really attractive guys who treated them badly. The down side to that is that every three-toothed yokle out there has seen it happen for someone else, so they figure "why not me?" and therefore relentlessly shoot for the stars.

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I think that's a big part of it, the beautiful that only date the beautiful find out over time that they get cheated on an awful lot.

I have to say though, I've seen this the other way a lot too though. Very good looking guys with average looking women.

If I were a woman I'd date Jim Belushi hmm.gif

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I don't think Jim Belushi was really attractive nor was he a bow-wow.  I would have dated him because of his wonderful sense of humor; I love a guy that can make me laugh and is fun to be with.  For me, it's all about the personality...looks fade with time. 

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Yeah. Looks do fade. I'm figuring I'll really be able to cash in when I'm in my seventies nod.gif

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Nah, you just need to find a woman that loves your quirks and sense of humor. 

You also need to ditch the soccer mom mini van.  biggrinwink

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But that's my chick magnet hmm.gif

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Truest of the true sayings... When it comes to picking a mate, pick someone you can talk to and enjoy spending time with... some day that may be all you have.

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Very true

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Mema & I had this conversations just the other day. This guy we know doesn't consider his girlfriend his gfirlfriend just because she's not hot enough that OTHER guys think she's hot.

Let's put it this way. Females will try to get to know the plain guy to see if they like their INSIDES. (ew. not their guts...their personalities) Most guys (not all) don't care about the inside stuff as long as the outsides are bangin'.

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I think the match ups in According to Jim, Grounded for Life and King of Queens are some what unrealistic, but probably the best bet. I agree a man with a sense of humor and a good work ethic is extremely appeal at my age. I have always had a crush on him, but he is a Bears fan to the extreme and funny, so I am bias! Normally he would not be my first choice. But after being with Duane for 11 years, I think looks are not so important and a great sense of humor is!

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I knew a sense of humor would come in handy somehow! nod.gif

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When Tim McGraw married Faith Hill, Brett Favre told him...

"You really outpunted your coverage son"

I cant think of a better way to put it.


It combines 2 of my favorite things...Football and Females. smile

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Personality, intellect, and a sense of humor gets me way faster than looks. Holds my attention longer too. nod.gif

I got into that argument with the dude Pambo mentioned earlier. Friggin' Shallow Hal that he is, you would think he must be good looking. Not even close! It is a shame to me that he won't admit that he really likes her because one of our other friends said she isn't cute. All that means is the friend isn't likely to hit on her, so who cares? They are a good match personality wise, have just about everything in common, and they like each other's kids. Still, he wastes his time trying to chase after women who he has little in common with just because the friend things they are hot. no.gif

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If a someone can make me laugh and we can talk, the companionship is what would make me want to be with them.  Everything else is window dressing.

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Dylan meet Mema, Mema meet Dylan...winkhandshake.gif

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Exactly! That is what dude says too, but it's obviously not what he means. I told him to don't come crying to me when the girlfriend dumps him because he got slapped with a restraining order by another woman. It will happen.

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Does the girl see it?

She has to have an inkling I am sure.

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Not sure. I know that she really likes him and has been trying to become more invested in his life. She's trying to befriend me because I'm one of his few friends. I think he treats her much differently when his friends aren't around because I think he really does like her.

Really happened the other day: We were sitting at happy hour and he blurts out that he is just so irritated with the girlfriend. She had the nerve to text him while he was in a meeting at work, just to make "small talk".

Him: I hate that! I'm not good at small talk and I've told her that. It's just annoying.

Me: You should just be happy that she was thinking about you. That is actually a good thing.

Him: Yeah, but why does she have to ask dumb questions when I'm busy?

Me: What did she ask you?

Him: What are you wearing?

Me: confused.gif Umm... that's not a small talk question dude. Did you reply?

Him: (annoyed) I said 'clothes'

Me: What did she say to that?

Him: An even dumber question. 'Do your undies match your socks?' Why is that important?

Me: disbelief.gif What is wrong with you? She was TRYING go get the hook up. Can't believe you missed that. What a dumbass.

Friend who doesn't think she's cute: Hi! Why you callin' him a dumbass now?

(I recap the previous)

Friend: disbelief.gifno.gifsmile.gif What a dumbass!

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Hopefully he will what is important before it is too late.

Most dumb asses dont wake up until they its too late.

The gass isnt always greener on teh other side of the fence....to find someone who appreciates him isnt as common as he might want to believe.

I suspect he knows that.

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If he doesn't do anything dumb, they will probably end up married. I think all the protesting is a sham.

It is a big "if" though. This is the same guy who told his now ex- wife "No, that outfit doesn't make you look fat. Your fat makes you look fat."

-- Edited by Mad Mema at 21:35, 2008-09-12

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I guess the girl knows what she is getting into and getting.

However, some people can be too honest.  Honesty is good, but if it hurts someones feelings, what is the point?

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Honesty is good, but should definitely be tempered with an edit function. Honesty doesn't require one to say EVERYTHING that comes into one's head. He is a smart alec, which also has it's place... he just frequently misplaces it.

I hope it works out for them. In my opinion, they are a good couple.

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The Mema seal of approval.  You have a good insight into human nature.

Sometimes we are too close to see things in our life for what they are.

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It's not too hard to look at another couple and see if they are a good match or not. That sort of thing tends to be really obvious if you study people at all.

With as much people watching as I do, you would think I could pick out a good man for myself. Doesn't work that way though. I've got a wonderful group of friends... really good people. When it comes to picking a man for me, I'm horrible at it. I have a Demotivator poster at my desk from Despair.com: Dysfunction - The only thing that all of your dissatisfying relationships have in common is you. laughing.gif

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