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Girl Scouts shut down 8 year old girls website.


When 8-year-old Wild Freeborn became a Girl Scout earlier this year, she had a simple goal: sell 12,000 boxes of the organization's addictive cookies. She wanted to earn enough money to send her entire troop (all new scouts) to summer camp in Brevard, N.C. After going door to door in her neighborhood, visiting stores in downtown Asheville, N.C., and consulting her parents about her precocious business plan, she asked her tech-minded dad, Bryan Freeborn, "Can't we use what you do at work?" referencing his job as the chief operating officer of TopFloorStudio, a Web design and development firm.

In late January, they posted a YouTube video, starring Freeborn in Girl Scout gear, touting her straightforward sales pitch. "Buy cookies! And they're yummy!" Soon after, they set up an online order system that was limited to customers within their local area (so Freeborn could personally deliver them). While her online sales strategy took hold, she continued peddling cookies the traditional waygoing door to door and working booths at the local grocery store. Within two weeks, more than 700 orders for Thin Mints, Caramel DeLites and Peanut Butter Patties reached the Freeborns solely through the online form.

Considering that the national Girl Scout Cookie Program bills itself as the largest program to teach entrepreneurship to young girls, this e-commerce strategy seems especially savvy. But some families in the community felt threatened by the Freeborn's unconventional efforts, likely because various prizes (including camp vouchers, stuffed animals and apparel) are given out by local councils to girls who sell a certain amount of boxes. "If you have an individual girl that creates a Web presence, she can suck the opportunity from other girls," says Matthew Markie, a parent who remains involved in Girl Scouts even though his three daughters are well into their 20s. Markie, and other disapproving parents, brought the Freeborn's site to the attention of local Girl Scout officials who told the Freeborns to take down their YouTube video and reminded the family of the organization's longstanding prohibition of online sales. According to the FAQ on the national organizations Web site, "The safety of our girls is always our chief concern. Girl Scout Cookie activities are designed to be face-to-face learning experiences for the girls."

The relative safety of using the Internet versus knocking on strangers' doors is debatable. "First of all, selling things online is no less safe," says Peter Fader, a director of the Interactive Media Initiative at Wharton, the business school at the University of Pennsylvania. "And if we want to teach our kids to be able to operate in society as responsible adults, online savviness is going to be part of the overall portfolio."

In addition to losing a teaching moment, Fader says the Girl Scouts are missing out on a sales opportunity. "It wouldn't even be a transitionit'd be an expansion," he says, noting that the program could allow cookie sales online through personal Web pages hosted by area councils. With some troops reporting sales down by as much as 19 percent this year, getting online would be a simple step that could invigorate the locally minded fundraising goals of the program. "Just because you go online, that doesn't mean you're going to stop engaging with the girls selling in town." Look at online retailing, which never killed the mall; or Avon Cosmetics, which, though once peddled door-to-door, can now be bought online too.

That message isn't lost on the national Girl Scouts association, but the group's digital strategy seems confused and behind the times. Michelle Tompkins, a spokeswoman, says, "Girl Scouts of the USA is not shunning the Internet though we still have to figure out how to do this." Tompkins notes that the marketing of cookies is allowed online, but sales are still verboten. She also highlighted a few other online advances, including the recent creation of a Thin Mints Facebook page and the registering of girlscoutcookies.org, a Web site with information on how to buy cookies from local troops.

On the girls' level, few of the badges that scouts can earn involve technology, and of those that do, the requirements are paltry: the "Computer Smarts" requirement for young girls (or "Brownies") only requires that they visit three Web sites. For older girls, the CyberGirl Scout badge is earned in part by sending an e-mail. "These skills are at a level I'm sure many girls can already surpass," says Andrea Matwyshyn, a colleague of Fader's at Wharton.

Back in Asheville, Bryan Freeborn is committed to teaching his daughter what the Scouts won't allow. "We had to talk with Wild about the ethics of cookie sales, what you can and cannot do," he says. "We decided that as long as we weren't taking money over the Internet, we weren't doing anything wrong." But that hasn't stopped parents like Markie from arguing that many in rural North Carolina don't have access to computers, and that Wild has an unfair advantage because she can easily comb several counties with her Web order form. Once the sales season is over next month, Markiesays that he'll approach the national organization and demand a clarification of the policy. "The Web sales create the perception of unfairness," he says, citing the Girl Scouts Cookie Program guide.

But maybe a different Girl Scout maxim should come to mind: "The early bird always gets the worm."



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no.gif That is just shameful. The child wasn't doing anything wrong. Those other parents are just mad because they either didn't think of it or didn't have the means to do it.

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More importantly, did the troop sell enough cookies to go to camp?

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Sounds like they shut her down before her one "little woman" effort was fully realized. I'd say she deserves a free trip to summer camp anyway.

Then again, who am I to say? I got kicked out of the Brownies. laughing.gif Friggin Camp Leapfrog. rofl.gif

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I know, I can't imagine why the would shut her down.



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I was a Scout leader for 5 years and know just how weird some of the Girl Scouts rules can be.  Some of the things they say the girls can and can't do just doesn't make any sense.

I would also say the other parents were just jealous because this girl was out-selling the others.  As the article said, there are prizes awarded for selling X number of boxes of cookies.....the more you sell, the more prizes you earn....they're accumulative too, meaning you win all prizes you passed along the way.  But what they're forgetting is her main goal for doing this.  It wasn't to win prizes for herself.....it was so her whole troop could go to camp.  Girl Scout camp is expensive and a lot of families can't afford to send their girls.  I think the local council should've taken her goal into consideration before passing judgement.

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That's all cool but, who's selling? My boy had to do more face to face sales. The wife and I wouldn't really take the sheets to work. If he failed, well that's the way it goes. I think he's better off for it.smile

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Mad Mema wrote:

no.gif That is just shameful. The child wasn't doing anything wrong. Those other parents are just mad because they either didn't think of it or didn't have the means to do it.



I would be on board with you if the child was managing the email/web action. If the parent was doing all the stuff, it's like me making my son's Pinewood Derby car and letting him have the win. He didn't learn much. Yes, it's part of the using the resources mentality but, that more like manipulation at an early age. Sorry bout that folks. I feel totally respondsible  for all the dumb junk my boy does.hmm

 



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I can see your point, Squonk... but I don't really see it any differently than I see all the parents who bring order forms to the office for Girl Scout Cookies, Boy Scout Popcorn, wrapping paper, trash bags, Gold-C Coupon books, and whatever else every school and organization out there has kids selling.

Good for you if you are the parent that actually makes your kid do this kind of thing for himself, but most parents don't. My parents sure never sold stuff for me.

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Mad Mema wrote:

I can see your point, Squonk... but I don't really see it any differently than I see all the parents who bring order forms to the office for Girl Scout Cookies, Boy Scout Popcorn, wrapping paper, trash bags, Gold-C Coupon books, and whatever else every school and organization out there has kids selling.

Good for you if you are the parent that actually makes your kid do this kind of thing for himself, but most parents don't. My parents sure never sold stuff for me.



And that's why we ROCK!! We know what it means to work for it. I sold cookies to pay for YMCA Camp. I sold door to door. The one year, I paid for two weeks of camp for myself plus some cash in my checking account at camp. (yes, they gave us a check book  that we had to balance. I was 8 years old.)

 



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The one and only time I attended any form of summer camp was a very short lived (approximately 4 hour tour) at Camp Leapfrog when I was in the Brownies (not coincidentally this was my last day in scouting, THANK YOU DONALD!!) My mother reluctantly paid for me and my sister to go to camp because she for dang sure wasn't going to have her kids going door to door selling cookies NOR was she going to sell them herself.

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You were a rebel at such an early age Mema.

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the first thing i think of when girl scout cookie time comes around is the movie corky romano ... 

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confuzzed wrote:

You were a rebel at such an early age Mema.



Not me!!  I was following orders. nod.gif The last thing Donald told me before I left to go get on the bus was "Remember #3 (he had a problem with names), you are not a bear. You do not @#!& in the woods."  "Yes, sir. Not a bear. No @#!&&ing in the woods."  Inevitably this was going become an issue. The conflict ensued when I announced my intent to march the "click up the hill to the flushy" instead of using the designated latrine.  I'm still not sure if it was the actual fight that resulted in the latrine walls getting knocked over that got me ejected or if it was repeating Donald's directive as my reasoning. weirdface.gif Either way... I was not a bear that day. Since I was marched the click up the hill to the shack, I got to use the flushy. nod.gif

 



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laughing.gif  mema! 



Donald sounds like a hoot too!  We had neighbors with five kids all girls and my dad couldn't keep them straight, so he numberd them by the oldest girls first name --  Matilda #1, #2 and so forth. 


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In retrospect, its all quite funny. At the time I was genuinely bewildered as to why the Brownie Lady was so mad. My poor mom! laughing.gif She spent a lot of time explaining her kids' behavior to others.

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Does anyone think door to door sales are dangerous?  Even with an adult present, who knows what kind of weirdos are out there?  I never let my kids do door to door for that reason. 

My kids called our friends on the phone or occasionally I took them to my office to hit some of my work friends up.  The in-town family got the face to face but that's about it. 



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mema, i can definately relate to your mom! my kids will pay when i am old and they have to take care of me.. .

pambo, the schools and organizations here include a note not to go door to door. it's a shame that our kids don't really get out of it what we used to...

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See... Momma was ahead of her time. She was absolutely convinced that someone was going to abduct and abuse her children. That is why she wouldn't let us go around selling stuff. (Now why she would be of the belief that anyone would actually want to beset themselves with HER deranged little bastages is TOTALLY beyond reason.) It would be much safer to set up a restricted website and sell the cookies that way.

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Whenever we had a fundraiser, I barely sold anything. It was all to family. Because in our neighborhood, there were tons of kids, and my parents didn't get off of work until the other kids made their rounds. I'd go door to door around the neighborhood and get a bunch of, "We already bought from someone else." We also sold crappy stuff.

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