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More death penalty- this time in Singapore


I am in utter shock. But I see that Dave's idea is implemented here. The crime occured 3 years ago. I cannot believe that Singapore has any drugs at all!


 


SYDNEY, Australia -- Singapore hanged young Australian drug smuggler Tuong Van Nguyen at 6 a.m. Friday (2200 GMT Thursday), despite widespread condemnation in Australia.


"The sentence was carried out this morning at Changi Prison," the Home Affairs Ministry said in an e-mailed statement to CNN.


Church bells tolled in Nguyen's home city of Melbourne at 9 a.m. Friday, the scheduled time of his execution. Vigils were held in other Australian cities.


On Thursday, the Australian government had dropped diplomacy and called Singapore's plan to hang Van Nguyen "barbaric."


Nguyen's mother, Kim Nguyen, was able to hold hands and touch her son's face during her last visit to see him on Thursday.


An Australian television reporter on the scene at Changi jail told CNN on Friday morning that Nguyen's brother Khoa and friends were allowed into the jail to be close to Nguyen at the time of his execution.


Nguyen was the first Australian executed overseas for 12 years.


Australia had repeatedly sought clemency for Nguyen, 25, who was convicted of smuggling 400 grams (0.9 lb) of heroin from Cambodia through Singapore's Changi airport in 2002.


Attorney-General Philip Ruddock criticized the imposition of the death penalty, especially in Nguyen's case which he said had mitigating circumstances -- Nguyen said he smuggled the drugs to try and pay off loan-shark debts for his brother in Australia.


"It was a mandatory death sentence. We feel most remorseful this is going to happen," Ruddock told Australian television ahead of the apparent execution.


"It's a most unfortunate, barbaric act that is occurring."


In 1986, then-prime minister Bob Hawke caused a huge rift with Malaysia that lasted a decade when he called the hanging that year of two Australian drug smugglers "barbaric."


Singapore is one of Australia's strongest allies in Asia and Australian Prime Minister John Howard has rejected calls for trade and military boycotts over the execution.


Howard did, however, make five personal pleas to Singapore and his foreign and justice ministers also called for clemency. But the city-state stood firm, saying it would not allow Singapore to be used as a transit for illicit drugs.


Many Australians held candle-lit vigils for Nguyen on the eve of his execution,


But a survey showed Australia was divided over the punishment..


A survey by Morgan Poll conducted on Wednesday night showed 47 percent of Australians believed Nguyen should be executed, 46 percent said the death penalty should not be carried out, and seven percent were undecided.


Australia abolished the death penalty decades ago. The last man hanged in Australia was convicted murderer Ronald Ryan who was hanged in a Melbourne prison in 1967.


Ready to die

On Thursday, Nguyen's lawyer, Lex Lasry, told Australian television from Singapore that Nguyen was "ready to die".


"He's in very good shape emotionally, physically, spiritually, and his courage and his fortitude through all this, particularly in the last few weeks, makes our role much easier," said Lasry.


"He has little concern for himself. He has a great insight into his situation and he is, in fact, ready to die," he said.


Some 420 people have been hanged in Singapore since 1991, mostly for drug trafficking, an Amnesty International 2004 report said. That gives the country of 4.4 million people the highest execution rate in the world relative to population.


Opponents of the death penalty say support for capital punishment is weakening around the world. But at least 3,797 people were executed in 2004, according to Amnesty figures, which the group says is the second-highest number recorded since it started monitoring executions 25 years ago.



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I'm not against the death penalty, but that seems like a pretty severe punishment for this crime...

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Singapore does NOT mess around. I hear they'll arrest you for spitting your gum on the ground. 

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  Singapore is not alone on this 1 , China , N. Korea  and most every Muslim type country


  has same sentence , foriegner or not.  Wait a few months and you'll be hearing even more


 from Australia as a half dozen or so mates got busted .


 Side note -  Heroin ... I'm not feeling a whole lot of sympathy at the moment, now don't get


 me wong , if it were a moonshiner from Kentucky or some pothead from California with a plant


 in his back yard I would help plan the jailbreak.



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I'm going to side with dave on this one. IF you happen to live in a thriving and developing nation where heroin is not yet a rampant problem, set the example early that IT WILL NOT BECOME a problem.

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    they got the "cure " for that "d - zz" "


  also - you are correct , Singapore has VERY clean streets , heck you can't even eat or drink 


 on the subway there ,  ( saw a good show on Singapore  ( 60 min.s ?) about the time that 


 American kid got the "caneing " for vandelising a bunch of cars , even Slick Willie  couldn't


 make em change their minds .  1 thing for certain over there , the law is the law !



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We could learn a lot I bet!

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Based on this info, it would seem to me that the stricter the punishment the less crime you will have... I heard an NPR story about the 1,000 execution occuring in the States since 1977 - and of course, the resulting outcry, many of which are saying that the death penalty does not change crime levels. based on this, I'd reconsider that.

Anyone ever read Vonnegut's Harrison Bergeron? They made it into a movie too.

Harrrison Bergeron

Fascinating story... they had public executions on television, even for minor citations like illegally parking. In fact, the city had become so crime free, they had to play execution reruns.

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While it does seem to be a severe penalty for less than a pound of drugs, it is their law. But they should not have the right if he were not a citizen.


Maybe the US can adopt this type of penalty for drug dealers here. I'll bet it would help. I realize, kill one and another takes his place. And there are punks out there that will try to do it just to beat the system, but there has to be a thinning of the herd at some point.It may not become a complete deterrent, but it will clean some of the scum off the street.



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confuzzed wrote:


While it does seem to be a severe penalty for less than a pound of drugs, it is their law. But they should not have the right if he were not a citizen.


I mostly agree with you Fuzzy, but here's my thought:  It is a prudent idea to avail yourself of information about the local customs and so forth before you go visit someone else's country... particularly if you are intending to do something illegal in the process such as smuggling in .9 lbs of heroin.  This guy either didn't bother to consider the consequences or decided the risk was worth the reward. 


Either way, he made the choice to violate the laws of that very intollerant country. I think they should treat him just the same as one of their own citizens.  If the government tries to keep their citizenry from turning their country into a cesspool, then why in the world would they allow foreigners to do so?  No, I wouldn't like to hear about an American being put to death by another government, but I also wouldn't like that American going to that other country and behaving badly.



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Mema & I talked about this at lunch.  I agree with her.  You do bad things, you pay the price.  Unfortunately for that guy, the price was high.  Bummer.  And...to me, it doesn't matter WHY he tried to smuggle heroin.  He tried & got caught.  Pay the price.

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By the way... mark this date on your calendar everyone... Pambo is way more liberal than Mema when it comes to these issues.  I think this is probably the first time we have totally agreed on this kind of issue.

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   side note  - he was cauht once , but he could have been smuggling for years ,


  like a "1st time D.U.I. "  it wasnt the first time you drank and drove , just the first time you got caught !



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  PS - I  LIKE  liberals ...  


    as in - like to chew their butts off now and then .


    let the debates begin !  



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Yes, we need some good ole debates don't we!

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