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Would you turn your dad in???


I would, but I would think I would have to confront him first, to soften the blow. But then he just might snap, so, I guess they did what they needed to.


LEWISTOWN, Illinois (AP) -- The Ginglen brothers grew up knowing they should always do the right thing, even under tough circumstances. It's a lesson their ex-Marine father taught them.


So when they discovered that same father had been robbing small-town banks, the three sons put his tutelage to the test: They turned him in.


Now William Alfred "Al" Ginglen, a 64-year-old grandfather of seven, could spend the rest of his life in prison.


He pleaded guilty in July to seven counts of armed bank robbery and two counts of carrying and using a firearm during a crime of violence; sentencing is scheduled Thursday in federal court in Springfield.


His sons say they have no regrets.


"He turned to crime, and we had an opportunity to stop it," said Clay Ginglen, 36, a music teacher in his hometown of about 2,600 people. "He was robbing banks with a gun. He could have easily hurt anyone -- a bank teller, a policeman. He could have been hurt as well."


Double life exposed

Ginglen's double life -- which authorities allege included a girlfriend, drugs and prostitutes -- started to unravel in August 2004, when one of his sons, Peoria police Officer Jared Ginglen, looked at surveillance videos posted on a law enforcement Web site and recognized his dad behind sunglasses, a dust mask and driver's cap.


He called brother Garrett Ginglen, 41, a Caterpillar Inc. engineer, who says he broke into a sweat and threw up in his office trash can when he called up the photos.


"I felt like if I could I would get up and run as fast and far as I could," he said. "Just trying to get away from it and pretend like it didn't happen."


The three brothers quickly gathered at the Lewistown firehouse where Garrett and Clay Ginglen volunteer and decided to confront their father.


He wasn't home, but the sons found clothes that matched those worn by the robber. They called police, who arrested Al Ginglen the next morning outside the home of a woman authorities say he had been secretly seeing since the 1990s.


Police: Journal details crimes

Along with a gun used in at least two of the robberies, the investigation turned up a journal Ginglen kept that prosecutors says details the robberies and the double life they bankrolled.


Ginglen wrote that he needed money to support his girlfriend and her daughter, and to pay for a $400 to $900 a week crack cocaine habit and hotel rooms where he romped with prostitutes, prosecutors said.


His sons say the family was oblivious to the nine-month robbery spree, which netted nearly $60,000 from central Illinois banks, and their dad's secret life.


"There's a lot of things we're upset about that weren't illegal," Clay Ginglen said. "Lying's not a crime, and lying was the biggest thing."


Al Ginglen told the Chicago Tribune the journal was a fictionalized outline for a book he planned to write. He declined an interview request from The Associated Press.


His sons, who say they have read only parts of the journal, rejected the explanation.


"I think it was a way that someone who was living a double life would try to keep track of his stories, to not slip up and get caught," Clay Ginglen said.


In hindsight, Ginglen's sons now recognize clues that their father's life had been unraveling.


Job loss signaled change

After being laid off for about a year when Maytag began shuttering its Galesburg refrigerator plant in 2002, he told his family he had landed a job collecting receipts from video games in bars and restaurants across central Illinois. He was away from home three to four days a week and called his sons frequently for money, they said.


"Looking back now, he was not behaving like he used to," Garrett Ginglen said.


His attorney, Ron Hamm, did not return a call for comment, but has said Ginglen was a devoted family man with a history of community service and no criminal record before the robberies began in 2003. Prosecutors declined comment.


Whatever the sentence, Ginglen's sons hope their father someday realizes it was the lessons he taught them that landed him in jail and may have saved his life.


"We knew he could be mad. It wasn't like we didn't mow the lawn when we were supposed to," Garrett Ginglen said. "But we also hoped that since he taught us all of this and raised us to be good, maybe someday the light bulb will come on."



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If this were my dad, I'd first kick his a$$, and then turn him in.

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And for that matter, if the tables were turned, I'd expect him to do the same to me!

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In that exact case, that their dad had been lying to them all these years anyway, yeah.

But then I look at my dad, and I could never imagine him doing those things. And I don't have any evidence that he's leading a second life or anything like that. So, if my dad were simply robbing banks, I'd confront him about it, but I doubt I'd turn him in. I would probably try to convince him to turn himself in though.

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    If you don't have a problem with putting close relatives in cages for the rest of their life then go 4 it !  Family re-unions could be a bit tricky thou..


   This  has to rank in the top ten  -  sad but true -stories of the decade . Nobody wins anything.



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My dad was somewhat of a free-range wackadoo, but he was a generally law abiding citizen. If he took to robbing banks, I would have to assume his cheese had finally lost contact with his cracker and he would be in need of some real help. He too was a retired Marine officer, and was heavily armed.  It would require professional intervention to wrangle him in.



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I'd just tell my mom on him. That would be enough. She can be one mean, blonde German lady when she's provoked. Prison would seem like a vacation. He'd turn himself in. You don't mess with momma (or let momma know you've been messing with prostitutes and robbing banks).

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That is a great response Trish!


This story is sad, but I think in the end, the boys did the right thing. It was probably best not to confront him. I mean he was acting very strange and out of character. I could not see my dad this way, and I think these boys felt the same way. Bottom line- someone could have been killed.



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I am glad that the minimum sentence is 40 years. Why does the judge feel sorry for him?? He was pretty bad- marine or not- he was robbing, using drugs and sleeping with hos.


 


SPRINGFIELD, Illinois (AP) -- A family man once regarded as a pillar of his community was sentenced to 40 years in prison Thursday for a string of bank robberies after being turned in by his own sons who had recognized him from a surveillance photo.


The judge issued the minimum sentence for William Alfred "Al" Ginglen, who at 64 likely will spend the rest of his life behind bars.


"It's very, very sad, but it's where we are," U.S. District Judge Jeanne Scott said. "You pose a dilemma in trying to figure out what in the world happened to you."


Ginglen pleaded guilty in July to seven counts of armed bank robbery and two counts of carrying and using a firearm during a crime of violence.


He was accused of stealing nearly $60,000 from five small banks during a a nine-month spree between November 2003 and July 2004. The judge ordered him to pay restitution.


Before he lost two jobs in 2001 and the bank robberies began, Ginglen, a former Marine, had spent most of his life as a civic leader and married father of four, the judge noted.


The money Ginglen stole, authorities said, went to support a girlfriend, a crack cocaine habit and visits to prostitutes.


Ginglen's double life started to unravel in August 2004, when one of his sons, Peoria police Officer Jared Ginglen, recognized his father on surveillance videos posted on a law enforcement Web site. (Read)


Earlier this week, his sons said they had no regrets about turning in their father.


"He turned to crime, and we had an opportunity to stop it," explained Clay Ginglen, 36, a music teacher in his hometown of about 2,600 people.


"He was robbing banks with a gun," he added. "He could have easily hurt anyone -- a bank teller, a policeman. He could have been hurt as well."


After their father's sentencing, Jared Ginglen told reporters "There are no winners here today. The whole thing has been a tragedy for my family."


Ginglen's attorney, Ron Hamm, said he plans and appeal.


He said he believes evidence Jared Ginglen took from his father's house, including clothing and a diary of his father's activities, were illegally seized because the son is a police officer.


Jared Ginglen said he was off duty and out of his jurisdiction. He said he went to the house to find his father and confront him, not seize evidence.



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And right there is why I hate our legal system. What the guy did was wrong, he knows it, there's no doubt he did it, but if they appeal, he might get off or get a reduced sentence because of a technicality.

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Here's the thing... if he was still on active duty when he committed the crime, he would also end up being dishonorably discharged, therefore losing all of his benefits.  He has shamed not only himself, but also his family, friends, and the Marine Corps.  He deserves every bit of that 40.

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I hate our legal system too Molly! I heard last night that some guys that were convicted of terrorism cahrges may get new trials because of all this wiretapping stories in the news. They convicted one of conspiring to blow up the Brooklyn Bridge and now they want to release him because the government might not have gotten a search warrant first! HE WAS CONVICTED!


 


Mema he deserves 40 and then some!



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You are right Ruby! 


Jose Padilla needs to be shoved off into some miserable, dank, pit of a prison for the rest of his life.  Warrant or no, he needs to never be free again.  None of those freaks who have been convicted of terrorist actions should ever walk free.  I'm PIST that the Germans let that bunghole go who killed the one US Sailor on the plane he hijacked. 



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