But I thought The President Said We Already Won The War?? - Freeze-Frame Radio

JD The Jazz Doctor · Grand Poobah

But I thought The President Said We Already Won The War??

Jeremy Riggs · 2011 Super Bowl Champions!

Actually no.

He declared the end of major combat operations. Never said the war was over.

Good grief, how come all the democrats I know can't hear?

disco strangler · Smiles everyone, smiles!

Jeremy Riggs wrote:

Actually no. He declared the end of major combat operations. Never said the war was over. Good grief, how come all the democrats I know can't hear?

uhhhh..... yeah, what jr said.

Date: Thu Mar 16 10:08 2006

I am a democrat and I heard you and Bush said! I know that this is being done to avoid the threat of civil war! So we are good!

WebGuy · Doesn't Do Windows

My 5 year old must be a Democrat . . . his hearing is very selective.

disco strangler · Smiles everyone, smiles!

no, seriously. they do this just to take our minds off the rising gas prices. you know they are going to go up again tomorrow -- just watch!

JD The Jazz Doctor · Grand Poobah

this is a major combat operation!

I think if Iraq had invaded America, I'd be an insurgent too.

Let's bomb them into obeying the fact that we want them to be a democracy.

disco strangler · Smiles everyone, smiles!

dang straight! our government is so giving it to us in the backside! almost makes you glad you don't have kids huh? (jd)

Jeremy Riggs · 2011 Super Bowl Champions!

This isn't a major combat operation. Flying over and dropping bombs is no more than we were doing when we enforcing the no-fly zones under Clinton's Presidency. On many occassions back then we bombed the hell out of them.

And to be quite honest JD, I sincerely doubt you'd stand up and fight for your country, even when under attack. I have you pegged for a sudden move to Canada.

PS. Your justification would be that our international policies had led to the attack so we deserved it.

-- Edited by Jeremy Riggs at 10:35, 2006-03-16

Jeremy Riggs · 2011 Super Bowl Champions!

Here ya go buddy. So you don't get lost on the way, this is what you're looking for...

JD The Jazz Doctor · Grand Poobah

nah in fact that is the only time I'd pick up a firearm.

And our wonderful prez made it illegal to be protest involvement in the war by making it illegal to flee to canada or mexico. I am pretty sure he did this right after he began his war, or right before he started his war- to prevent the posibility of draft-dodging to fight his war.

JD The Jazz Doctor · Grand Poobah

darn right ds....I admit I am too scared to have kids because I would love them too much and there are too many bad things that could happen that I could not prevent or save them from. Scary world, and this is my choice.

Jeremy Riggs · 2011 Super Bowl Champions!

With all due respect. This is why I get so frustrated talking politics with you, because you can not stick to the facts.

In true democrat form you always have to invoke the suggestion of fear-mongering crap in hopes you can fool some young idealistic person into pledging their allegience to your answer-free party.

That's why you throw out phrases like "draft-dodging", because even though you know it's no where near happening, and probably never WILL happen again, the draft is a great scare tactic.

I'd be in favor of just letting you guys have everything west of the mississippi, let the Republicans have everything east of it.

We'll see which civilization lasts the longest. You won't have any protection against your enemies, but hey, maybe your hollywood friends can entertain them when they arrive!

Jeremy Riggs · 2011 Super Bowl Champions!

I gotta head out now, so in the words of your buddy Bill O'Reilly,

"I'll let you have the last word"

(But you know I'll be back later!)

disco strangler · Smiles everyone, smiles!

at this point, there are so many would, coulda, shoulda's...

if only sadam woulda let the un do their job....

the us coulda gone about things differently....

things shoulda been taken care of properly before it got to this point...

the reality of it is, our men and women are there and if we back out now, the ramifications would not be worth it i fear.

JD The Jazz Doctor · Grand Poobah

I love getting you riled up bird. It makes my day!

I think the one thing the repubs do that the dems don't is really really really get into justifying their povs with such fervency. "But this chart says.....this is not a major combat....this is a flushing of insurgents from the land with bombs but its not a major combat".

You repubs are soooo defensive! why?

confuzzed · Permanent State of Confusion

Wait a minute. Are we actually at "war"? I thought war had to be declared by an act of Congress. This crap has been going on so long I have forgotten if this was war or just a military action.

disco strangler · Smiles everyone, smiles!

JD The Jazz Doctor wrote:

darn right ds....I admit I am too scared to have kids because I would love them too much and there are too many bad things that could happen that I could not prevent or save them from. Scary world, and this is my choice.

yes... i'm am sad of what the future of mankind holds for my children...

will everything be okay? i'd like to think so, but sometimes i think i'm just trying to convince myself.

JD The Jazz Doctor · Grand Poobah

I hear you ds...

It is nice tho to have this community forum to share these thoughts and concerns. Makes the world just that much smaller, in a good way.

Jeremy Riggs · 2011 Super Bowl Champions!

Yeah Yeah JD.

I know you love to get me riled up. That's probably why I have high blood pressure! Leave it to a democrat to try and kill a republican without using a weapon!

Hey, in ALL seriousness. I know both sides are adamant about their issues. I also know that history may well show that this war was a mistake. The intention was right. The damn UN should have had some teeth to it's resolutions so it didn't get to the point where we had to go in without them. It COULD still turn out to be a good thing. There is NO doubt in my mind Saddam had WMD, but the four month lead up to the war gave him all the time in the world to dispose of them.

Having said all that, I HONESTLY beleive we need each other JD! Dems and Pubs that is. If the Republicans ran this country without any Democratic interference we'd wind up back in the days of slavery, but it wouldn't be race based, it would be financially based. There'd be a lot of guns, and we'd probably go out and take what we wanted from the world. Although, ironically, and I KNOW this sounds ridiculous, I do beleive we'd be a more moral country, it's just that the nut job Republicans would be off the reservation.

If the Dems ran the country without Republican interference, we'd be part of Communist China within 20 years. We'd have a whole lot of trees but nowhere to live and little to eat. There'd be no poor people, because anyone who worked their a** off would have to pay to support the lazy.

We really have an EXCELLENT system of politics in this country. We balance each other out and are fairly represented in our government.

The only problem we really need to deal with is special interest groups and corrupt politicians.

Dylan · Leader Of The Banned

After 911, the US and President Bush made a decision to change our foreign policy approach....we knew that the dictatorships, poverty and type of culture producing terrorists and suicide bombers needed to be fundamentally changed.

Our foreign policy changed from one of containment to a vision preemption and democratization. If we could introduce democracy to that corner of the world...we could change the environment producing a poor uneducated population with little economic recourse and a willingness to die with a stick of dynamite up their poop chutes.

We are talking about colliding ideologies here. This is something that could take decades to play out....to think this was going to be a quick process wasnt looking at history objectively. In the cold war,. that took about 60 years for Soviet Communism to be weakened. Terrorism is such a shadowy, elusive enemy that isnt going to go away without changing the swamp it breeds in. I much prefer dealing with the problem in the region it comes from than dealing with it on our shores like on 9/11.

disco strangler · Smiles everyone, smiles!

Dylan wrote:

After 911, the US and President Bush made a decision to change our foreign policy approach....we knew that the dictatorships, poverty and type of culture producing terrorists and suicide bombers needed to be fundamentally changed. Our foreign policy changed from one of containment to a vision preemption and democratization. If we could introduce democracy to that corner of the world...we could change the environment producing a poor uneducated population with little economic recourse and a willingness to die with a stick of dynamite up their poop chutes. We are talking about colliding ideologies here. This is something that could take decades to play out....to think this was going to be a quick process wasnt looking at history objectively. In the cold war,. that took about 60 years for Soviet Communism to be weakened. Terrorism is such a shadowy, elusive enemy that isnt going to go away without changing the swamp it breeds in. I much prefer dealing with the problem in the region it comes from than dealing with it on our shores like on 9/11.

yes, bush said "we will be there for as long as it takes"

we live in a world of instant gratification. i like instant gratification, but sometimes it just isn't possible, or feasible for that matter.

JD The Jazz Doctor · Grand Poobah

I'm just not convinced that those zelots are going to change, no matter how hard we force them. What we are doing is breeding hatred and resentment- adding fuel to an already raging fire.

You can't bomb and kill them in the name of freedom- freedom for who? Us?

MzHartz · Permanent Vacation

I feel like we've pretty muched turned into the world police, and sometimes I wish we could solve some of our own problems first. To me, it seems like the USA is one big busybody.

-- Edited by MzHartz at 12:47, 2006-03-16

Tennessee Girl · Senior Member

There are times I feel we've gotten ourselves in the midst of a hornet's nest, but what do you do when that hornet nest is on your back porch and growing bigger and bigger the longer you watch it. I don't think we should fool ourselves into thinking that we should have left them alone because they're on the other side of the world. 9/11 showed us the folly of that as well as the invasion of Kuwait. Saddam got quickly squashed that time too. And as I understand it, accepted defeat with the condition that he behave himself. Does anyone believe he followed the terms of that agreement? THAT alone justified our dethroning him. Let's not forget we DID have UN approval!!

How do we solve the problems Iraq has now? I go with the opinion that this generation of the Middle East will always hate the US. Why wouldn't they? They've been brainwashed for years that we're the enemy. How do we overcome it? By our benevolence. I believe the children of Iraq seeing our soldiers and other US citizens building schools, hospitals, etc. will change their belief system. It's not the US soldiers blowing up the Iraqis with landmines, roadside bombs, suicide attacks, and destroying their mosques. It's Muslim on Muslim violence.

Jeremy Riggs · 2011 Super Bowl Champions!

We are the worlds policeman. It goes along with being the only remaining superpower and wanting to stay that way.

We have to neutralize any potential threats that arise overseas in countries where dictators rule.

Iran is a perfect example. We will be taking action there, and we have no choice.

My only complaint is our dependance n foreign oil. I don't like the fact it always looks like we're only protecting our oil interests. I mean, WE ARE protecting that, but it's also about keeping the world from turning into a nuclear wasteland.

JD The Jazz Doctor · Grand Poobah

Some great comments here.

Hartz I was thinking the same thing the other night when I saw Rigg's pics of the different world-wide levee systems and then the one for New Orleans. We've got to not only make sure we are protected from terrorists, we've got to be sure we are protected from our own laziness and incompetence.

Jeremy Riggs · 2011 Super Bowl Champions!

Every country has it's own internal problems. Just because they had a better levy system doesn't mean it's paradise for crying out loud. It's one area in which they've done a nice job.

There's only so much money to go around, and everyone has a different list of what's most important.

Someone will ALWAYS be disappointed with the way things are. We will never have a perfect society.

I think the main overall point I want to make is that we are where we are, let's do the best we can with what we have.

We can debate forever about Iraq, but we have only one option at this time, to finish the job. Why do we waste so much energy debating whether it was the right or wrong decision? We can't change it. America had the chance to change the administration and voted not to. Now let's just be united behind finishing the job and bringing our troops home.

The reason I get annoyed with the Dems is because all I ever hear from this is what we did wrong, how bad everything is, how the world as they know it is coming to an end. But I never hear actual solutions on how to fix anything. "Let's Not Fight" is not a plan.

Tennessee Girl · Senior Member

We are EXPECTED to be the World's policeman. Isn't Africa asking us to go over right now and help them in the civil war down there in Darfur (?).

We are also EXPECTED to be the World's checkbook. Other countries want to take our money, but heaven forbid, we tell them what we would like in return. Reminds me of my kids sticking their hand out without wanting to do their chores, piano lessons, or homework.

I myself, am JUST around ready to accept isolationism. I dare say we'd be better off than ANY other country in the world. And if we had all of the money that's sent to other countries, we'd all have the best homes and schools and roads etc. AND levees! PS: New Orleans could probably have levees of gold had they used the money the NATIONAL governement had already appropriated to them over the years. You can thank the LOCAL and STATE government for that calamity.

JD The Jazz Doctor · Grand Poobah

We cannot keep being the world's policeman and check-writer. Certainly we only look to look at our major domestic industries to see that all is not well. More of that money we pour out could be kept here to improve the quality of life for americans, developing and refining new industries and technologies, job training, brining eductation costs back down to earth, stablelizing social security so that our old folks can enjoy what should be the best days of their lives, after working most of their lives.

What's the sense of protecting the boarders if they one day will only be the shores of a huge national ghost town?