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MzHartz


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This is one of the things that just disgusts me. I just got a message from a friend of an Amish family. Their child needs a transplant or she will die. Because of their faith, the family won't apply for medicaid. The transplant center won't accept them, because they can't pay for the transplant.

Most of the time, I'm disgusted at the hospitals that turn people away because they can't afford it. These are usually people who don't qualify for medicaid (which is something else that disgusts me), and their insurance doesn't cover enough or denies paying for it. That's why COTA is here.

But this particular transplant center does not turn people away if they can't afford it. But, if someone qualifies for medicaid, they do expect them to apply for it. I have to agree with that, and I really don't see why anyone would apply for aid when it comes to the life of their child.

It appears that this family has to choose between their faith and the life of their child. I don't understand this. Is it cold and callous of us to expect them to break their faith to get their child the transplant she needs? Many people here know my beliefs, and I don't understand a lot about other faiths. Does anyone have any insight into this case? Am I just being close minded?

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not inappropriate at all! I understand your frustration and I am glad that my religion would never put me in a position like that. I believe that God has provided us with what we need to perserve and survive. Turning your head away from Medicaid and letting your child die to me is like murder. I do not know much about Amish except the electricity thing, but to not want to ask for help when given it- makes NO sense.

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I know that pastors can opt out of Social Security based on religious beliefs. By opting out, they do not have to pay into SSI, but they also can never collect from it.

I don't know the exact passage in the Bible, but there is a statement in the Bible that depending on how it is intrepreted, it can sound like accepting government controlled support is a sin. Again, I don't even know what passage it is, but I do know that some view it that way. I would suspect that Medicaid would fall in the same catagory as SSI in some peoples eyes.

I agree that it is stupid for them to not do what they need to do to help the child.



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I think that's ridiculous too. They should do whatever they can to save that child.

The thing is, that child hasn't chosen that religion, THEY HAVE. They should put the safety of the child first and let him or her make those decisions when they're older and can choose what path they wish to take religiously.

That's the one thing that has always concerned me about organized religion, is the fact that most simply follow the religion they were raised in, never questioning and never learning about other religions. I don't think that necessarily qualifies as faith, but rather more as a 18 year brainwashing.

I imagine the extremists in ANY religion would take the approach (like this family apparantly has) that if their God is calling the child to heaven they can't stand in the way. I understand the concept, but I think it's seriously misguided.

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Not on the subject of faith but i have a recent story that I can't believe that I didn't share already. My mom had to go to a child's funeral to support the grandmother that was her friend. A child's funeral is always so sad. But anyways they are not sure exactly how he died. He was 2. His parents weren't together and the child was with his father's grandparents when a fever broke out. It was very high. They ended up taking him to the emergency room. The mom faxed the insurance info to the hospital. The hospital wouldn't admit him because the grandparents didn't have the extra $60 co-pay! They were turned away!


The next day they took him home and during the drive he died! They didn't know until they arrived at the mom's. The coroner said that it had been 2 hours. It was a long drive. They did an autopsy and found that he was dehydrated and may have had too much Tylenol. But it is unknown what caused it all. He had a history of asthma and i think he had a hole in his heart but it hadn't caused a problem thus far.



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i wouldn't sacrafice my child, but i can see the other side of the coin.  this would be a test of faith.  not necessarily that god will spare the child to live on this earth, but that god knows what is best and if he calls for this child to sit in his kingdom beside him he has actually spared this child from things they cannot foresee.  everything is a test of faith.  not necessarily belief (because the devil believes in god), but faith...


i guess it is faith without conditions...



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I can't imagine being in that position.  Then again, the choice seems obvious to me.  I believe that I'd risk my eternal damnation to save my child.

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Thanks guys! This makes me feel a little less disrespectful. It's kind of like the jokes we've been telling around here lately. "God, why didn't you help me?" "I gave you the tools (Medicaid), you didn't use them."

There's one thing I still don't understand. If the family won't apply for medicaid for religious reasons, how's that any different from accepting any other form of assistance? Their friend was contacting us for either a grant to pay for the expenses, or fundraising. I don't get it.

Kind of off the subject, how do the Amish handle taxes?

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I am not positive, but I think that they have some protection where they are- similiar to reservations.


Might have to do some research.



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I tried to find anything but I did see that they do not pay for SSI unless they work for a non amish employer.

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