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Kill the penny bill


I tried to find the old thread where JR outlined his kill the penny plan- looks like he has a supporter!


NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- Representative Jim Kolbe wants to do away with the penny - and for a second time has introduced legislation that would effectively kill it.


The Currency Overhaul for an Industrious Nation (COIN) Act would force the rounding off of all cash transactions to the nearest 5 cents, making the penny coin useless for everyday transactions.










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Representative Jim Kolbe



 


The move is in part a reaction to the rising cost of zinc - the penny's main ingredient - which at current prices brings the cost of making the coin to 1.4 cents each.


Kolbe introduced similar legislation in 2001 when prices for metals weren't as high. The bill failed to pass or even to make it to a floor vote. Since then, however, zinc costs have nearly doubled.


"The penny has been a nuisance for years," said Kolbe (R-Arizona) at a press conference on Tuesday, "but now that the cost of a penny exceeds its value, the landscape of the debate has completely changed."


Over half of the U.S. Mint's coin production comes in the form of pennies. At current prices, the Mint would spend some $44 million producing pennies this year, nearly $14 million more than in 2005.


As with the 2001 bill, the new one calls for rounding down any cash transaction that ends in in 1,2,6 and 7 cents; totals ending in 3,4,8, or 9 cents would round up.


Chuck Todd, editor-in-chief of the political briefing publication, Hotline, thinks it's unlikely Kolbe's bill will have better luck this time. "The only time these coin bills are successful is when you create a collectible," Todd says.


The bill does, however, call for various commemorative currencies, including a dollar coin and a $2 bill.


A recent Gallup/USA Today also indicates a tough road ahead for the bill.


Fifty-five percent of respondents consider the penny useful compared to 43 percent who think it should be eliminated. More telling, 76 percent of respondents said they would pick up a penny if they saw it on the ground.


Kolbe's home state of Arizona is the largest copper producing state in the nation. Copper is the main material of the nickel which would benefit by becoming the lowest denomination of currency in circulation.


Other elements

Kolbe's bill also takes aim at Massachusetts-based Crane Paper, which has been the exclusive supplier of paper to the Bureau of Engraving since 1879. Crane has benefited from legislation requirements that effectively makes it the only possible supplier of the paper.


Kolbe's bill would simply require the paper to be "produced entirely within the United States," rather than the current requirements that it be produced domestically by a company 90-percent American owned. Kolbe, as a freetrader, opposes such protectionism.


COIN also provides for a study of less costly metals to replace zinc, copper and other materials used in American coins.


The bill also calls for organizational changes: Oversight of the U.S. Mint and the Bureau of Engraving and Printing would be transferred from the Department of the Treasury to the Federal Reserve Board. Kolbe's office maintains that since the Federal Reserve is in charge of the dollar, moving the currency under the Federal Reserve would remove a layer of bureaucracy.


Others don't see the wisdom in the proposed move. "Sure, you're taking bureaucracy away from the Treasury but you're adding it to the Federal Reserve," said Todd. "Where do you get the efficiency?"


 



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I'm pro-penny. In the fundraising/canister community, pennies equal a lot of $$. Unfortunately I don't have any hard statistics because theres no reason to track pennies as opposed to nickles and dimes, but I would guess COTA gets thousands of dollars a year for patients from pennies alone.

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I was a big kill the penny guy. But I've softened my stance on it somewhat in that I just don't care. I throw the damn things away. They're annoying. You go to the corner store and they have that give a penny/leave a penny tray, most of them are overflowing because no one wants them.

So basically, if everyone hitting the store is giving a penny/leaving a penny we're rounding off anyway right?

But if it's costing 1.4 cents to make a penny then it's just silly to keep making it. If $1.4 million dollars gets you $1 million in pennies then what's the point?

It's one of those things that's just going to get less and less valuable with every passing year, as inflation keeps going up.

I won't miss it.

Molly, don't worry, when the penny it isn't gonna take long before the value of a nickel is next to nothing and people will be tossing those in the jar. Plus they'll have a LOT more of them because everyone will be rounding to them. If just one in five people that used to give you their pennies gives you their nickels you won't even notice a difference.

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Stop throwing those pennies away!!!!! Throw them in a jar and send them to COTA!!!!!

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Well, I don't actually throw them away anymore.

About three weeks ago JD & I started a coin collection jar in the studio. We're both dumping all our change in there and then every three months we're gonna have it counted and spend it on promotion for the station.

But before that? TRASHED!

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 most buisnesses that make something that cost them a buck to produce , then sell it for a quarter are soon out of buisness. reason enuff I'd say.


 going broke making money, how ironic.



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I don't know, I think it'd be absurd to not have the smallest unit of american currency represented by a coin. Well if it costs more to make a penny than the penny is worth, that's just a reflection on our flat-line economy and the rising cost of everything. I tell you, if gas goes up anymore, I'm paying for a tank in pennies.

and how is this rounding up or down going to work? each county or state governs its own sales tax!

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JD,

The conspiracy theorists were all in a tizzy a couple years ago thinking this was just a way to let stores round up everything in their favor. That the sales tax or the price of the item would be set so that it always rounds up.

But that only applies if a person buys a single item, and a low cost one at that (I don't think you'll find that furniture sales stores will start charging $999.98 for the couch just to rook you outta a penny.

Most purchases are made in multiples and it would be impossible for a retailer to anticipate that for each customer and adjust their prices accordingly.

It's just like everything else in this country, we resist change (pardon the pun). No one likes it because it's not the way it used to be.



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I'm all for change (no pun intended), but a monetary system without a 1 doesn't seem like an accurate system. (And possibly we should start making pennies out of a more affordable material? Or maybe people should stop throwing them away so we don't have to make so many!) Are there any other countries who don't have a "penny," a coin or bill that represents their lowest denomination?

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I'm not sure about other countries, but it wouldn't affect my opinon regardless. We are our own nation with our own set of circumstances.

The bottom line is that when my parents were in their 20's they paid $100 a month in rent and bought their first new car for $5000.

In only 30 or so years those numbers have been dwarfed because of inflation.

Our currency remains in the same denominations while the value is constantly being degraded.

Eventually the reality is a coin like the penny has outlived it's usefulness for anything other than kids that like to save them or like Molly said charities that rely on them in dump bins.

Neither of those justify continuing to produce them at a loss.

Not to worry though. Last time I checked I don't have a vote in congress.



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I think that if we lose the penny, we lose a needed symbol of salience that nods to the roots of American capitalism. The basic building block of the American dream can be deconstructed to the ability of every grandad, no matter of what economic class, being able to give grandkid a penny for the gumball machine. Grandad is a millionaire then in a childs eyes. Anyone can afford that simple joy. And half them pennies supposedly go to charity.  This is timeless, and is needed. The penny is American, and its tradition. 

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can't it be made out of something less expensive?  i don't understand...  everything else is being made out of cheaper materials these days.  good grief, we're driving around in plastic cars!  

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Somehow I just can't see myself saying "See a nickle pick it up, all day long you'll have good luck." How much time and tax money is being spent to discuss the issue of letting the penny die? Does anyone else see the irony in this?

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Sometimes I wonder why they even need to make new ones? Where are all the old ones? I guess in our change jars.


 


DS- good point and Trish- they waste money anyway!



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it's all part of a bigger plan...


that would be to phase out the exchange of all curency period.  in the future, all our pay and purchases will be tracked by our government through some form of id -- maybe a drivers license or other government issued card with a computer chip tracking device.  we pay a price for out freedom --  we have the most manipulative government in the world...


think i'm crazy? 



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No DS, I think you're right on.

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Me too and I know Dave would agree!

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