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Ruby · The Good Witch Of The South

Q magazine picks worst singers

JD The Jazz Doctor · Grand Poobah

celine dion is the worst singer of all time!

oh she makes my ears bleed!!!!!!

Lady Strange · 80's Rock Chick

My husband called me over to the computer last night with "Did you write this?"

darleneapd · Cuff 'Em N' Stuff 'Em

I'm not sure I can agree with that. As much as you all hate certain singers mentioned in there, I wouldn't say they suck.

And Elvis being the "greatest voice of all time"..... I'm not sure about that one either.

-- Edited by darleneapd at 08:21, 2007-03-06

Lady Strange · 80's Rock Chick

darleneapd wrote:
I'm not sure I can agree with that. As much as you all hate certain singers mentioned in there, I wouldn't say they suck.

And Elvis being the "greatest voice of all time"..... I'm not sure about that one either.

-- Edited by darleneapd at 08:21, 2007-03-06

For me it rings really true because the reason I hate Mariah & Celine is because they're supposedly good "singers" when in actuality, their techniques are horrendous, and frankly, I don't find the sounds coming out of them to be at all pleasant. And I love Ozzy despite his being an awful singer, but at least he doesn't go around saying he's a great singer - he's just a rock guy. And if Elvis doesn't have the most beautiful untrained pop voice of all time, he's damn close!

Jeremy Riggs · 2011 Super Bowl Champions!

I can't remember the last time I heard Mariah sing where the voice wasn't layered to death. Her first album I think really showed off her voice and I thought it was awesome. Almost everything since then has been crap.

Celine, I'm really amazed to hear you all not give her credit for a good voice. It's not my thing, but I would never say she doesn't have a good voice. Just not one I care for.

I think the whole idea of technique is a little crazy. What sounds good or enjoyable to one person is not always going to sound good or enjoyable to another person. Music is after all art. I don't think the Virgin Mary covered in cow dung is anywhere near art, but lot's of art aficianados disagree.

Mariah Carey has moved into R&B Hip/Hop, for that style she's fine. Celine Dion is a power-ballad, over-dramatic song singer. For that style she's fine. Ozzy is a metal singer, does anyone really expect to hear what he's singing? Is that why someone buys an Ozzy Osborne record, to hear the lyrics and his insights on life?

I mean come on. If we're going to make a list of bad singers let's stick to the ones that truly don't sing, like Laurie Anderson who talk/sings her way through a repetitive half-laugh sound for seven minutes.

Although, even that is art. Just not my kind of art.

Just my two cents. (actually, I probably put about five cents worth of opinion into the pot here

)

Lady Strange · 80's Rock Chick

Jeremy Riggs wrote:
1. I think the whole idea of technique is a little crazy. What sounds good or enjoyable to one person is not always going to sound good or enjoyable to another person. Music is after all art.

2. Celine Dion is a power-ballad, over-dramatic song singer. For that style she's fine.

3. Ozzy is a metal singer, does anyone really expect to hear what he's singing? Is that why someone buys an Ozzy Osborne record, to hear the lyrics and his insights on life?

4. I mean come on. If we're going to make a list of bad singers let's stick to the ones that truly don't sing, like Laurie Anderson who talk/sings her way through a repetitive half-laugh sound for seven minutes.

My comments on your comments:
1. Because singing is an art, technique is very important. Not so much in rock & roll, but for real singing. No way can someone sustain an opera or Broadway career without good technique. The voice is one instrument you cannot replace at Sam Ash. I've been studying for years, and it is like an athlete training the muscles of his/her body. It's very specific, and believe me, it ain't easy. Now of course, rock & roll singing does not have to be that - for example, Mick Jagger was never in the same league as say a Josh Grobin, and that's the way it should be. But yes, certainly one can have a pleasant voice without being trained, similar to you can see someone getting down at a wedding reception and you think "Man! What a great dancer!" Would it get them on Solid Gold without training and specific technique? Hell no.

2. But she's a poor power ballad over-dramatic song singer. She ain't no Judy Garland, that's for sure.

3. I'm gonna try not to be offended here (LOL), but metal singers are among our best rock singers. And a lot of them have great enunciation. (Michael Sweet, Ronnie James Dio, Bruce Dickinson, Jeff Scott Soto, anyone?) And a lot of them do have amazing lyrics and insights on life.

4. As I said before, the reason these 2 broads bug me is because unlike artsy singers (Laurie Anderson, Lene Lovich) they claim to be great singers.

"I have 340 octaves!"

Jeah! As if!

Jeremy Riggs · 2011 Super Bowl Champions!

But LadyStrange, just because they claim to have 340 octaves doesn't mean they use them all

They may be saving something for their big finale ya know!

I think when you've been trained in something like that you're much more likely to find fault in others.

It's like former forum member Dylan. He studied guitar A LOT, so he would pick apart the work of other artists relentlessly. Telling me what was good and what wasn't.

But my "un-trained" ears weren't looking for a particular sound or a particular technique.

He could say "that was flawlessly executed guitar work" and I might say "yeah, but it didn't sound good to me, I didn't like it", or he might say "that guy screwed up a couple times in that song" and I'd say "I really liked it, I though it sounded great".

Since I've never had anyone tell me what is proper or not proper I'm not listening for that, I'm accepting the sound as it is and just making a simple decision. Do I like it, or do I not like it?

Since music tastes vary as much as anything between people, I think you'd find plenty of people listen to Celine Dion and would NEVER think her technique wasn't very good, in fact I know it, because she sells tens of millions of CD's.

I'm glad you're interested in this topic though, because it's always kind of fascinated me. As huge of a music fan as I am, I look at it strictly from the consumer end. It's either good or it's bad. It's always interesting to me to hear the views of someone that's more involved with the creative aspect of it, because it does give an insight to what the process is like.

I'm SURE that as you pointed out, it would make a much bigger difference to me in an opera or something of that sort. But then again, the only way you'd find me at an opera would be if my cold corpse were propped up in a seat there against my will

Their "technique" brings blood to my ears

garougal · Cleverly Disguised As A Responsible Adult

Lady Strange wrote:
3. I'm gonna try not to be offended here (LOL), but metal singers are among our best rock singers. And a lot of them have great enunciation. (Michael Sweet, Ronnie James Dio, Bruce Dickinson, Jeff Scott Soto, anyone?) And a lot of them do have amazing lyrics and insights on life.

I'm with ya sistah. Metal vocalists often have enormous vocal power and talent that is dismissed because of the style of music. Often people are socialized to believe that true singing talent is showcased only in formats like the scale-climbing lilting of the Mariah Careys of the world. I'm not afraid to admit I still like metal. I like the primal beats, the raw emotion, that burn in the pit of your stomach when the words, the voice, and the music come together in a way that just makes you want to pound drums and yell "He** yeah!" Like any kind of music, metal has its fluff and its truly bad songs. But there is amazing and powerful intelligence behind the good stuff, expression that pours forth and lets a person feel that free-spirited, counter-culture attitude that is buried within. Oooo am I pumped up now! Bring on some SOD! {{lol}}

Jeremy Riggs · 2011 Super Bowl Champions!

Sometimes you scare me G-Girl.

I think you're one of the girls that woulda beat me up in gradeschool

Lady Strange · 80's Rock Chick

Jeremy Riggs wrote:
1. But LadyStrange, just because they claim to have 340 octaves doesn't mean they use them all
They may be saving something for their big finale ya know!

2. I think when you've been trained in something like that you're much more likely to find fault in others.

3. she sells tens of millions of CD's.

1.

2. Absolutely!

3. Well, sure - "Thanks Diane Warren!" "Thanks Alan Menken!" "Thanks Jim Steinman!" (I think you get my point...)

garougal · Cleverly Disguised As A Responsible Adult

I am nothing more than the sweet, innocent, peaceful, smiling girl next door! Really. You just gotta believe me. {{lol}}

Jeremy Riggs · 2011 Super Bowl Champions!

Lady Strange wrote:

Jeremy Riggs wrote:
1. But LadyStrange, just because they claim to have 340 octaves doesn't mean they use them all
They may be saving something for their big finale ya know!

2. I think when you've been trained in something like that you're much more likely to find fault in others.

3. she sells tens of millions of CD's.
1.

2. Absolutely!

3. Well, sure - "Thanks Diane Warren!" "Thanks Alan Menken!" "Thanks Jim Steinman!" (I think you get my point...)

Very true, the songwriter often makes the singer.

I prefer artists that write their own material, or at the very least deliver it as if it were coming from their own heart.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, Meat Loaf sings every word as if it is of the utmost importance to him. I've never seen someone so into the lyrics of their own song.

Of course, Steinman wrote his best stuff, but I really beleive those two are brothers from different mothers. They were destined to work together.

You think Meat Loaf is a freak, then you see the man behind the music and realize how normal Meat Loaf is by comparison

garougal · Cleverly Disguised As A Responsible Adult

Jeremy Riggs wrote:
You think Meat Loaf is a freak, then you see the man behind the music and realize how normal Meat Loaf is by comparison

{{lol}} Many of the freaks of the music industry are among the most brilliant and talented musicians you'll find in the modern day. Look at Marilyn Manson. He's so horrific I can't stand to look at him, but his music and it's meaning is astoundingly intelligent and poignant. Despite my desire to want to run and hide from this man, I respect his talent and insight.

darleneapd · Cuff 'Em N' Stuff 'Em

Wow, this is a deep post, so since I am uneducated when it comes to this topic I will just read, and get
Ed - U - ma - cated!!

-- Edited by darleneapd at 11:20, 2007-03-06

Jeremy Riggs · 2011 Super Bowl Champions!

garougal wrote:

Jeremy Riggs wrote:
You think Meat Loaf is a freak, then you see the man behind the music and realize how normal Meat Loaf is by comparison
{{lol}} Many of the freaks of the music industry are among the most brilliant and talented musicians you'll find in the modern day. Look at Marilyn Manson. He's so horrific I can't stand to look at him, but his music and it's meaning is astoundingly intelligent and poignant. Despite my desire to want to run and hide from this man, I respect his talent and insight.

I can't get past his appearance and the initial jarring sound of his music to tell if there's anything worth while in there.

He gives me nightmares

Ruby · The Good Witch Of The South

Looks like Mariah is trying something new:

NASHVILLE, Tennessee (AP) -- Mariah Carey turned some heads in Nashville while filming scenes for the upcoming movie "Tennessee."

The R&B diva is playing an aspiring country signer who flees her controlling husband in New Mexico by moving to Nashville with two brothers.

Last week, she sang at the downtown honky-tonk Second Fiddle. She co-wrote "Right To Dream" with Willie Nelson and performed it with Nelson's harmonica player, Mickey Raphael.

"People were weeping on the crew when she sang it," director Aaron Woodley told The Tennessean. "It's very moving, especially in the context of the film and her character."

Earlier, they shot on location in Dunlap, about 20 miles north of Chattanooga, and at Cumberland Caverns in McMinnville. Later they filmed some train scenes on trips between Nashville and Lebanon.

"There I am, sitting on the edge of a boxcar with Mariah Carey, breezing through town," Woodley said. "We slowed down to go over a bridge, and there were people sitting in cars. I think they did a double-take: 'I swear I just saw Mariah Carey on a boxcar.'

Lady Strange · 80's Rock Chick

Jeremy Riggs wrote:
You think Meat Loaf is a freak, then you see the man behind the music and realize how normal Meat Loaf is by comparison

I never said he was a freak. I've hung with him! (No kissing - hee hee)

-- Edited by Lady Strange at 12:01, 2007-03-06

Jeremy Riggs · 2011 Super Bowl Champions!

Lady Strange wrote:

Jeremy Riggs wrote:
You think Meat Loaf is a freak, then you see the man behind the music and realize how normal Meat Loaf is by comparison
I never said he was a freak. I've hung with him! (No kissing - hee hee)

-- Edited by Lady Strange at 12:01, 2007-03-06

No, When I said "You think" I meant people in general. IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII think the guy is a freak! I have all the respect in the world for him, he's amazing, but he IS a freak

darleneapd · Cuff 'Em N' Stuff 'Em

RE: Mariah Carey,
"One Sweet Day"

Dedication
sorry I like her!

Dedicated by
Ruby

ME too Ruby!

Ruby · The Good Witch Of The South

And I missed it!