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PVC PIPE IS BAD!?!?


I worked in a hardware store in the late 80s, early 90s, this stuff was one of the biggest movers in the plumbing department! look at what they're saying!

 

Sears and Kmart will reduce or eliminate a popular plastic linked to serious health problems from packaging and merchandise in their 3,800 stores - an action announced Wednesday after more than a year of talks with environmental and shareholder groups.


The plastic, polyvinyl chloride, or PVC, is often mixed with phthalates, a family of plasticizers that some scientists suspect causes early puberty in girls, impaired sperm quality in men and genital defects.

In October, California followed the lead of the European Union and outlawed certain phthalates in many products for babies and toddlers starting in 2009.

By saying that its Sears and Kmart stores would phase out PVC - found in a broad array of items including packaging, water pipes, children's toys and baby bibs - Sears Holdings Corp. is following the lead of Wal-Mart Stores Inc. and Target Corp.

Almost all vinyl products are made with PVC, and PVC is the only plastic that uses phthalates as a softener, said Michael Schade, PVC campaign coordinator for the Center for Health, Environment and Justice, which has been pressing Sears and other companies to replace the substance.

"We're either at or approaching a tipping point for the use of PVC in packaging and products at major retailing chains in the U.S.," said Richard Liroff, executive director at the Investor Environmental Health Network. The nonprofit network is a consortium of money managers and shareholder groups that uses stock holdings to pressure companies on chemical issues.

Schade said the trend by retailers to cut back or stop using PVC was started overseas about 10 years ago by IKEA, a European retailer of household goods that eliminated the plastic from all of its packaging and products, including furniture, toys and shower curtains.

Sears, based in Hoffman Estates, Ill., did not set a timeline for meeting its PVC goals, saying it depends in part on availability of replacement materials and suppliers' willingness to act.

Sears said it plans to:

"Identify safer, more sustainable and cost-effective alternatives to PVC" and use those when designing and making private-label merchandise.

Urge its vendors to reduce or eliminate PVC in products and packaging.

Label merchandise as PVC-free when appropriate.

Use PVC-free materials when possible.

Sears has been feeling heat from environmental groups since March 2006, when more than 50 environmental organizations wrote the $50 billion retailer urging it to eliminate PVC. The groups, led by the Center for Health, Environment and Justice, noted that in addition to the problems for consumers, toxic materials are used as the raw material to make PVC, causing health problems for workers and communities near the plants where the plastic is produced.

Schade said Sears was immediately receptive to the complaints.

"They expressed a significant willingness to act, which is why we didn't launch a public campaign against them," Schade said.

Several months after talks began, the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America filed a resolution urging Sears to prepare a report on its "practices related to social, environmental and economic sustainability." That resolution was withdrawn when the company agreed to talks on its PVC policies.

Sears spokesman Chris Brathwaite said the groups did not force Sears to act.

"I wouldn't call it pressure," Brathwaite said. "This was a topic that was brought to our attention. "We obviously agreed . . . otherwise we wouldn't have done this."

As part of a recent Journal Sentinel investigation of the government's regulation of hormone-mimicking chemicals such as phthalates, the newspaper asked Frederick vom Saal, an expert in the field, to audit a suburban Milwaukee home for the presence of the potentially toxic chemicals. Vom Saal, a biology professor at the University of Missouri, found PVC and phthalates in the home's vinyl flooring, water pipes and children's toys, such as rubber ducks and dolls.

"Chewing on a vinyl toy is like sucking on a toxic lollipop," said Schade, of the Center for Health, Environment and Justice.

Vom Saal suggested that people avoid PVC by buying wooden toys or those labeled "PVC free" and that they install water filters on taps.


 



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early puberty in girls, impaired sperm quality in men and genital defects.

maybe it has more to do with the laziness, overweight and blank stare that a large portion of the population has?

We always used a crushed Coke/Beer can to smoke in a pinch. Never thought of using pvc. I always thought that was more for bondage. ;)

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Whoa! How many houses have PVC in their plumbing?

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like ALL OF THEM!hmm I'd say anyone that had done updated or new plumbing pipes, especially big drain pipes, in the last 25 yrs, used PVC most likely. The alternative was galvanized steel. $$$$$$$$$$$bleh

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Bah!

Everything is bad for us.  No surprise.  We're all living toward the exact same end result, DEATH.

Now I just read a story on MSNBC.com that there is actually NO hard evidence that saturated fat causes the heart issues we think it does.  There may be something else that in conjunction with it is causing it.

They followed some tribe someplace that eats 60% saturated fats as part of their diet and they have no heart disease and are in excellent shape.  They started having them eat a more "modern" diet and suddenly high cholestoral and heart disease started appearing.

Ya just gotta live your life, roll the dice and see where ya finish.

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I always hated reading reports like this....new study says eggs are bad for you, new study say eggs are good for you....

we tested 800 lab rats by feeding them 40 pds of eggs a day for an 8 yr period....

all that BS research $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$.......

I think I am going to go out and get an order of bacon to eat. and butter it. bah.smile

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...and drink a pint of Jack Daniels using a pvc shotglass and then drive home.smile

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Exactly.

The only thing I've ever heard that makes sense to me is that you can eat ANYTHING as long as you eat it in moderation.

I've heard 50 reports telling me milk is going to kill me and 50 reports telling me I'll die if I don't drink enough milk.

Not surprisingly those reports are USUALLY commishioned by the milk lobby or the anti-milk lobby.

Maybe stop wasting all this time studying and re-studying the effects of milk on the human body and put the money toward some SERIOUS research on curing cancer, or parkinsons, or maybe even put the money toward feeding the people in this country that starve to death!

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Er, um, I think I can positively say that eggs are bad for me.

But really, when it comes to food that will kill you, I think it's all that artificial junk. Eat all the butter and milk and eggs you like, and stay away from the Velveeta and Spam. And I think supposed "diet" foods like Splenda are the worst!

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That's true too.

My grandmothers lived on a diet of bacon fat, fried chicken, eggs, etc. and they're still in great health.

My diet is full of waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too much splenda and nutrasweet.  I don't doubt THAT'S what will eventually give me cancer.

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I had a great uncle that inhaled cigar smoke and chewed tobacco since WWII. I think he lived to be 89 and died in his sleep.

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