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Bad news for Ticketmaster, but possibly good news for us


Since Ticketmaster jacks their fees up so much, I'm hoping this means that LiveNation ticket prices will come down.

Top Concert Promoter Sets Up a Challenge to Ticketmaster

By JEFF LEEDS
Published: December 21, 2007

In a bid to consolidate its hold on live-music fans, the concert giant Live Nation said on Thursday that it would acquire the software and services to ramp up its ticket-selling operation, potentially positioning the company to compete directly with its longtime contractor, Ticketmaster.

Live Nations entry into ticketing could shake up the hierarchy of the live entertainment business and alter how fans buy tickets for shows at locations ranging from small clubs to giant arenas. The shift comes as an array of music industry rivals have been jockeying to take a cut of ticket sales as other revenue sources, particularly CD sales, plunge.

Under the pact, Live Nation said it would license software from CTS Eventim, a German ticketing service and concert promoter, to build a ticket unit in North America. Eventim would act as Live Nations outside ticket service in a role similar to that of Ticketmaster now in markets across Europe. Terms of the agreement were not disclosed.

The clock is running for Live Nation to adapt Eventims ticketing system for the United States, where its technology is largely untested. Live Nations multiyear contract with Ticketmaster expires at the end of 2008. Talks to extend the deal collapsed in August, setting off a scramble by both companies.

Live Nation said that, in addition to using the new service to sell its own tickets, the company would market the system as an alternative service for other concert site owners. A spokesman for Ticketmaster, Joe Freeman, said, We welcome their entrance to the ticketing business.

The financial stakes are huge. Live Nation accounted for more than 15 percent of Ticketmasters roughly $1 billion in revenue last year, said a person briefed on the companys finances.

Live Nation, like other concert promoters, receives a part of the service charges added to tickets sold through Ticketmaster: that money added roughly $90 million to Live Nations books in the last year. In the Eventim deal, Live Nation would have the right to set and keep virtually all fees added to tickets in the United States, a person briefed on the deal said. The two companies would operate under a more traditional revenue-sharing deal in certain international markets.

Live Nation has long pushed to take a bigger role in ticket sales, and recently told investors that such a move could bolster profit. The companys concert promotion business has thin margins. Live Nation could add $25 million by taking the ticketing process in-house, according to an investor note last month from John Blackledge, a JPMorgan analyst.

Live Nations chief executive, Michael Rapino, has also sought tighter control over the relationship with fans. In particular, Mr. Rapino has pressed for Live Nation to control customer data from ticket buyers as part of a strategy to sell fans additional merchandise.

Mr. Rapino has pushed for livenation.com and not Ticketmasters Web site to be the main outlet for its tickets. Under the new arrangement, the Live Nation site is to be the retail storefront for the companys events in America and Europe.

But it is not clear how much Live Nation will need to spend to build the infrastructure behind a ticketing operation. Another question is whether Eventims technology will be able to handle the sheer scale of commerce it will inherit from Ticketmaster.

Live Nation said in an analyst presentation that it sold roughly 20 million tickets last year in concert sites it controls; Eventim said it processed more than 30 million inquiries in the first hour tickets went on sale for the 2006 World Cup tournament.

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I would love to see LiveNation take a bite out of Ticketmaster's profits!!  I had to use Live Nation for our Ozzfest tickets this past summer, and it was a very smooth transaction.  Since I had to supply my email address to them, I now receive info about different concerts in my area.  I would gladly use their site again to purchase tickets. 

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oh I hate ticketmaster so much. I do hope this breaks the monopoly they have. I hate that- once all is said and done with fees etc its like you just bought a 3rd ticket!!furious.gif

I'm pretty lucky to have seen just about everyone I've ever wanted to see live. What I paid for a 10th row stones ticket 2 tours ago, woulda got me in the CHEAP seats this past tour. nada to that.bleh.gif

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I hear that JD......all of their additional fees on top of the ticket price are outrageous!!! 

I remember when Ticketmaster first started handling ticket sales.  Stone Temple Pilots refused to use them as a "ticket outlet" for their concerts.  They tried to get a grass-roots boycott started to prevent Ticketmaster from selling any concert tickets.  Too bad it didn't work.  hmm

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I think pear jam tried something like that too sandy. I remember tho at pearl jam ticket line tho- pick a number to get in line to pick a number which will allow you to get in the lottery to get in line.....bleh.gif

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Oh you're right JD, it was Pearl Jam.  My bad.  I experienced a blonde moment just then.  biggrin

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oh! oh.smile.gif

I do like the convenience of buying tickets online, tho sometimes the ticketmaster site locks up when there's a rush. I guess there was some logic to the long overnight lines back in the day. first come, first served....

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Heck yeah!!!  That was part of the whole concert experience........camping out overnight to get choice seats for the show you wanted to see!!!!!  That was a party experience all by itself! biggrin

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I agree! The last time we did that, they did a lottery and the person behind us won it, putting us at the very back of the line. So people who showed up at least last minute instead of getting up at the butt crack of dawn got better tickets than we did. I was so mad!

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