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I must have gotten up in the middle of the night to read this, cuz I thought I dreamt it. I can't believe it....

MPS to explore dissolving district

Money pressure brings boards surprising vote

By ALAN J. BORSUK
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Posted: Sept. 18, 2008

The Milwaukee School Board voted Thursday night to begin looking into dissolving the Milwaukee Public Schools system.

 

The completely unexpected 6-to-3 vote followed a gloomy assessment of the short- and long-term financial situation of MPS from Superintendent William Andrekopoulos and several board members.

The resolution called for the administration to examine state and federal guidelines for dissolving the school district and who would be responsible for educating children in Milwaukee if that happened.

Voting for the resolution were board members Danny Goldberg, Jennifer Morales, Jeff Spence, Bruce Thompson, Terry Falk and Tim Petersons. Voting against were Peter Blewett, Michael Bonds and Charlene Hardin.

While it is extremely far from this step to MPS going out of business and the action might turn out to be largely a symbolic protest of the MPS financial situation it was by far the boards most dramatic reaction to the pressures it is under. Those pressures include wide demands for better student achievement, a tightening money vise and the strong prospect of a double-digit increase in the property tax levy to be imposed this fall.

We have ample evidence the current model is going to move us to ruination sooner or later, Goldberg said.

Falk said he did not want the move to be a Trojan horse for those who want Mayor Tom Barrett to take over running the school system an idea being discussed in some power circles in the city.

But, he said, Structurally, financially, were in an untenable situation.

Anybody else running it good luck, Falk said.

Bonds called it disgusting to discuss dissolving the district. I just think its ridiculous, he said. He left the meeting after the vote.

Andrekopoulos began the meeting by saying, The state finance system to fund Milwaukee Public Schools is broken, then repeating the sentence for emphasis.

He said that even with no increase in spending for the current school year, the property tax levy to support schools would go up 9.8% because of a decrease in state aid to MPS.

He presented the board with a set of choices it could make involving property taxes and spending, generally involving large property tax increases or major cuts in spending.

The path he supported would cut the budget proposal approved by the board in June by $2.5 million, but still bring a 13.95% increase in property taxes.

Andrekopoulos told the board that as he looked at years beyond the current one, the financial trends present a picture of a spiral-down effect that will affect the stability of MPS.

He pointed to increasing spending on special education while federal and state aid pays for a decreasing portion of that expense as another major factor affecting the picture, and he asked rhetorically, Can we continue operating a school district when it seems that fresh money cannot be brought in.

Were beginning to have conversations on what we should stop doing, he told the board, describing the current budget crunch.

Falk, who chairs the budget committee, said he feared that he would have to vote for a property tax increase of more than 10% this year unless we want to slash and burn school services.

In recent years, only two small school districts in northern Wisconsin have considered dissolving in light of the financial situation of schools in the state. No district has dissolved.

In a speech Thursday in Madison on the state of education in Wisconsin, Superintendent of Public Instruction Elizabeth Burmaster said, Public education in Wisconsin has been stretched to the limit and more needs to be invested in education if Wisconsin is to be competitive economically.

The Milwaukee board has until late October to decide the final budget for this year and the property tax levy. A year ago, a proposal that included a 16.4% budget increase brought a large wave of public protest, and the final budget called for a 9% increase in taxes.



 

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And this will mean a HUGE reduction in the property tax right?

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nah I think that money will simply be diverted to swat teams....

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POINT: It's not fair that people with no children pay their entire lives for the school system via property taxes or higher rent as a result of higher property taxes.

It's not fair that an elderly person who's children have been out of school for 40 years can't afford a home he or she OWNS because the property taxes are several hundred dollars a year.

It's not fair that a family with one child pays the same amount to school their child as a family with nine kids.


COUNTERPOINT: Lower property taxes for everyone would be great, BUT families may have to stay smaller simply because a couple can't afford school for more than one or two kids.

The truly poor in our society, which for whatever reason tend to have a lot of kids, could wind up with a bunch of kids getting NO education at all. (although there's a huge drop-out rate in this community anyway)



BEST ANSWER: Who knows? I don't. I'm never in favor of programs that take from everybody and give to a select group. At least not on a never ending scale. Help someone when their down that's fine, subsidize them for life, no thank you.

Yet filling the nation with uneducated young adults is a disaster waiting to happen. It's just another issue that has absolutely no good answer. hmm.gif

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JD The Jazz Doctor wrote:

nah I think that money will simply be diverted to swat teams....




Ya know, if this were China we'd just put a bullet in the head of every kid after the first one in a family.

That would solve the never-ending budget problem.  nod.gif



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This is why the school side of property taxes sucks. Okay, they say they need more money, but are the children actually getting better programs or learning materials? Are more kids going to stay out of trouble or even graduate? And it still isn't fair to those of use that do not have children in school. I pay a ton of money so some kids can disrupt classes or so they can drop out of school when they turn 16. Plus, the economy is bad enough. People are trying desperately to hold on to their houses and raising the taxes they have to pay on them helps tremendously, right? Counties were so desperate to catch up with the times and property values that the did reassessments everywhere to bring up the values. Well, how about a reassessment that brings the values back down? If you can't pay your taxes, the county will take your house away.

Two words: bite me.


I'm sorry. Rant finished. I think.

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but the first one is usually the ring leader.....no.gif

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I feel ya Fuzzy.

The thing is in Milwaukee it's EVERY year they try to pass through double digit property tax increases based on public school funding.

They usually don't get it approved and "settle" for 7 - 9%, but they always claim they need 14 - 18%.

How long can this continue? It's just like Health Insurance and Heating costs, but at least THOSE issues you're paying for your own.

I am SO against ongoing social programs. But I have to admit, this is ONE of the ones where I'm not sure what the answer is. I understand the need for a public school system. These kids deserve an education. I just don't know what the answer is.

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hey make the parents pay. these aren't my brats.....

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But JD? Do you want to be surrounded by more stupidity than you already are?

What about crime rates? Education levels drop and crime rates go up.

I think the only option here is for teachers to agree to donate their time.

HEY, LOOK AT THAT! I SOLVED THE PROBLEM!

Man, I ROCK!!! nod.gif

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Eventually we'll probably have school sponserships.  no.gif

Coca-Cola High School.

This text book provided by the fine people at Smuckers.  "Why not have some toast and jam before school?"

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I'm ok with the sponsorship if it pays the bills and gets them kids edjumicated...perhaps the public schools could get funded from the same pot that pays for the prison system? it seems like thats all a lot of these schools are anyhow- medium security day care.....

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I know it goes on everywhere. We got whacked with last year's budget. I can't stand that property taxes go up twice as much as my salary (if I am lucky.) I know children need an education. But the money should be going to items for them (books, programs), not just to pay teachers' salaries, so they won't strike because the don't want to pay into their own healthcare. I have to pay mine, why shouldn't you pay yours?

They talk about reducing property taxes and we all know it will never happen. There isn't enough money. Everyone above the school district is cutting the supply line.

I just don't think it is fair for me to lose my house so other people's children can go to school and not learn.

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the point about the old people not being able to afford property taxes....society as a whole pays social security taxes to help them survive...the more students that graduate and end up working are better for them in the long run...more work force = more money in the social security system.

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I'd also like to see schools go to somewhat of an incentive based program.

A lot of people probably think I'm crazy on this one, but I really think incentives can be huge motivators.

My biggest problem in school was a lack of motivation. Yet I did my best when there were very specific goals set.

I remember once in 7'th or 8'th grade they started a color coded reading system, where the goal was to read a story (fairly lengthy, ten or twelve pages) then take a test. If you got it right you were allowed to go to the next level. It was the only time in my grade school years that I actually excelled.

I don't know what kind of incentives you could offer, but I guess my point is I think the school system, like almost every other industry these days, really needs to start thinking outside the box.

Just like the newspaper industry, the music industry, the TV industry. What worked 50 years ago just doesn't work today anymore. Not necessarily for the same reasons of course.

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allycat wrote:

the point about the old people not being able to afford property taxes....society as a whole pays social security taxes to help them survive...the more students that graduate and end up working are better for them in the long run...more work force = more money in the social security system.




That's true, but not how it's supposed to have been.

My social security taxes are supposed to have been going to support ME.  And if they hadn't robbed social security so often that might just work.

Think about it, every penny you ever put into social security, in an interest bearing account for 50 years being used to support you when your retired, IF YOU LIVE THAT LONG!

If you don't that money goes into the fund and is dispersed as a bonus to all the other seniors.

THAT is a system that would have worked.  As usual, our government screwed it up.

 



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it would have worked if there was no inflation...and no disabled people drawing it...and no kids that have fathers over 65 drawing $800 a month.

I just look at it as that I am supporting my grandparents and hopefully my parents for much less than it would cost me if it was gone. If I had to pay everything for them it would be well over $1000 a month...this way its about $200 a month. I have other plans for my future because I know it wont be available to me in 2045.

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allycat wrote:

it would have worked if there was no inflation...and no disabled people drawing it...and no kids that have fathers over 65 drawing $800 a month.

I just look at it as that I am supporting my grandparents and hopefully my parents for much less than it would cost me if it was gone. If I had to pay everything for them it would be well over $1000 a month...this way its about $200 a month. I have other plans for my future because I know it wont be available to me in 2045.




 I had read somewhere that if nothing is done to fix Social Security, people our age will see 25% less benefits than what we SHOULD be able to qualify for. and we see less and less then as time goes on.

Here's something I found out just yesterday. only 11% of disabled people under the age of 65 get social security because of the disability!!!

 



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Here in Kansas, not only do we pay property taxes for the schools in general, we also pay book fees for each child. It's about $60 per kid. So everyone pays the teachers and the parents pay more for having their children in school.

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they might be getting a state disability check that is funded by social security though.



A customer of mine is a 15 year old kid getting $800 a month because his dad is 65 years old. The man still works..makes a damn good living at that and the kid has $800 a month to blow.

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Home schooling seems to be on the rise....

If A family can educate their children, usually with pretty good results for so much less money, I believe school districts should be able to do more with less.

Teacher salaries, facility maintenance expenses etc all add to Education costs in this country... However the education lobby in Wisconsin is very powerful...the teachers union basically put our Governor in office because of his partnership with the union.

Throwing money at problems isnt the answer...accountability and better managers are.

Private and parochial schools seem to make it.

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Perhaps they could go to the charter school set up. That is what was done on the Kansas City, MO side. Their public school system was so bad that the schools were losing accreditation. I'm not sure how well charter schools work, but it has been a really long time since I've heard stories about how bad things are over there.

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