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Jim Doyle strikes again: As of October 1 Wisconsinites will be taxed on digital purchases


I wonder if thr russians fly under the radar?

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Madison - Wisconsin will collect sales taxes on Internet downloads of music, games, books, ring tones and other video entertainment - a decision that angers some who will find the 5% tax added to their credit-card bills after Oct. 1.


On Thursday, Gov. Jim Doyle signed into law a package of tax-law changes that included extending the sales tax to so-called digital downloads.


The District of Columbia and 15 states have similar laws, although none of those states borders Wisconsin.


The change will require vendors to add the tax when the product is sold and remit it to the state treasury. One of the most popular sellers of songs, CDs and other digital products, iTunes, already collects sales taxes on those sales for states that charge it, said Susan Lundgren, a spokeswoman for Apple.


It is expected to cost Wisconsin consumers about $6.7 million a year - a number that suggests it's a $134 million annual industry here. Also, national experts estimate that downloads are growing by as much as 20% a year, which means the amount of sales tax in that area will grow substantially.


Doyle has been fighting for the change for years. He and other state officials say it is a matter of fairness: Internet vendors shouldn't have a tax-exempt advantage over Wisconsin's brick-and-mortar retail stores.


"This is applying the sales tax in the same way to the same products," said Doyle spokesman Lee Sensenbrenner. "This change protects Main Street businesses."


Some digital downloaders don't see it that way, however.


"I don't feel very good about it," said Cyntha Hammerel, 40, of South Milwaukee, who downloads songs and CDs several times a week. "I'm not buying the product in Wisconsin."


"I am being taxed to death," said David Vogt, 46, of Milwaukee. "Where in the world does it stop?"


Once a week, Vogt downloads a movie from a large chain, which gives him the right to watch it on his computer or his big-screen TV. Each movie download costs him about $4.


A smoker, Vogt is also upset about Doyle's proposal to raise the state tax on a pack of cigarettes from $1.77 to $2.52. "Now, I'm thinking about quitting," Vogt said.


'Complex, but necessary'


Milwaukee lawyer Andrew Franklin, who studies Internet taxation issues, backed Doyle.


Charging the sales tax on downloads "is tricky and complex, but necessary," Franklin said.


"The statistics are staggering. Billions of dollars in revenue are being lost, a number that is growing exponentially every year," he said. "It's a revenue gap that will certainly grow in such harsh economic times where only the best retailers with the lowest overhead will survive, and the rest will be left struggling.


"This is not a shift in taxation. It does not rob consumers of a benefit otherwise available to them. Rather, it merely collects a tax that in every way mirrors the tax that would be collected if one were to leave a house, go to a store and make a purchase in person."


More than entertainment


But Republican Rep. Jeff Fitzgerald of Horicon said the tax on digital products will be charged on many non-entertainment products.


"This new tax affects far more than kids downloading songs; it raises costs on all types of digital media from photos to clip art to computer games," said Fitzgerald, who voted against the tax-increase package. "Graphic artists, photographers, printers and Web designers just saw their costs go up for producing content."


Jamie Armata, 32, of Wauwatosa, who downloads music about twice a month, wondered how he'll end up paying the sales tax on his downloads. If the company selling the product adds the sales tax every time he makes a purchase, Armata said, "I have absolutely no problem with that."


But Armata and others said they don't want to self-report what they owe in sales taxes on downloads or get a notice from state tax collectors saying they owe a specific amount in unpaid sales taxes.


State Department of Revenue officials say they can't talk about specific tactics they might use to collect the sales tax on digital downloads.


But they will launch an extensive educational campaign before Oct. 1 to make sure vendors are aware of the change and their requirement to add sales taxes when a digital product is downloaded.


"As with any change to the sales tax law, the Department of Revenue will work with sellers to ensure they are correctly collecting and remitting sales tax on digital goods," said department spokeswoman Jessica Iverson.


Iverson said the sales tax compliance rate is high, and state officials expect Wisconsin residents to pay it on digital products.


"Effective October 1, consumers will pay sales tax on digital goods as part of the total purchase price, just as they would with any taxable goods and services," she said.



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OMG! Bend over just a little more!

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This one only bothers me moderately. I don't have a problem with them taxing internet purchases at the same rate as local purchases. BUT, it shouldn't just be digital purchases it should be all purchases, and it should be across the country, not just a state here or a state there.

Until then, yeah, we're just bending over a little further than the rest of the country no.gif

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I don't know if we have a tax on digital downloads, but I know anything else we buy on the internet is taxed at our state sales tax rate of 6%.  We also have to declare internet purchases on our State Income Tax.......total bought throughout the year and how much sales tax we paid on those purchases.

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I'll just continue to do what I do what I do the way I do it. No tax. Heck, no price tag either....wink

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With all these changes this guy is making, I better go read the bill the has passed to see if the company may have a liability to collect sales tax. Our services are not taxable in WI. At this point I wonder how that can be since it appears everything else in the state is taxed.

And if you think self reporting the sales tax (also known as use tax) is done by most individuals, better think again. That end of collection is more time consuming to audit and generally not worth the cost of enforcement.

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CA just passed a new bill with tax increases and other decreases. Here is one you have to enjoy:


California --Property Tax: Senior Assistance, Payment Postponement Program Discontinued

Claims by senior citizens for postponement of property tax payments cannot be made, and the Controller may not accept such claims, after February 20, 2009.


Now tell me how this is going to help the foreclosure rate in CA.

In the meantime, they have also raised the personal rate, the sales and use tax rate and reduced the dependent credit.

I wonder which country it is safe to move to right now. It seems that we can't stay here.



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See? Now JR has my mind wandering. In PA we pay real estate taxes (soem of you guys pay personal property taxes instead). Real estate taxes are based on home value. Now for years they have been raising the assessment on your house. Naturally, bigger assessment means a bigger tax bill. So, this is my question: With the mess that is the housing market, are they now going to reassess properties and bring the values down?

Ha ha. I laugh at myself for even thinking that would ever happen. Taxation without representation. I think it may be time to revolt soon. Maybe the world is going to end in 2012.

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Sure, they'll lower the real estate taxes, but find somewhere else to make up the difference (plus some)...

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Nah. You know they won't lower the real estate taxes. As I have mentioned before, I don't mind paying the city/county taxes. Those services benefit me. It is the school taxes that are awful. They are four times the amount of the other taxes and I do not benefit in any way (and never have). The offset of lower property taxes for a raise in the EIT isn't worth it. It would still cost me more.

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confuzzed wrote:


See? Now JR has my mind wandering. In PA we pay real estate taxes (soem of you guys pay personal property taxes instead). Real estate taxes are based on home value. Now for years they have been raising the assessment on your house. Naturally, bigger assessment means a bigger tax bill. So, this is my question: With the mess that is the housing market, are they now going to reassess properties and bring the values down?

Ha ha. I laugh at myself for even thinking that would ever happen. Taxation without representation. I think it may be time to revolt soon. Maybe the world is going to end in 2012.






They've already addressed this situation here via the local news and they've warned people not to expect decreases in their property taxes because of the falling home values.



They had some lengthy explanation as to why but the shorthand version was "You're screwed"



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It also looks like WI is changing their rules about the taxability of custom software and programming. Canned software is taxable. Custom software was not, but looks as if now it will be taxable.

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JR - stay out of the hospital too. You may be taxed there too.

"The bill would impose an annual assessment on eligible hospitals, equal to a uniform percentage of gross patient revenues."



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Taxes on a hospital stay? no.gif

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Maybe Web. I am not sure how to interpret that line. But if the state imposes taxes on the hospital, you know somehow it will trickle down to the patients because you know that won't be covered by insurance.

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