man $4000 credits to get you fat cat jesus and gun lovin truck drivin hillbillies into new affordable economical fuel efficient cars which as a by-product could save american jobs and the Earth itself, and you can bring up a social security increase freeze? With a what 10.4% unemployment rate???  maybe we should have gone with Bush's plans to dissolve social security and put that money into the stock market.

OK GO.   

get. back. here.

Oh crap, just like JR.....put a political topic out there and then LEAVE before any of us have a chance to respond.

HE TOOK ALL THE MONEY AND WENT TO WAR INSTEAD JESUS CHRIST

ARGH!

See, that's the main difference between liberals and conservatives. IT'S NOT MY JOB TO SAVE FORD, or GM or CHRYSTLER.

It's the job of the company to run itself in a manner that is profitable. When they fail you can't keep reaching into my wallet to take out money to give them.

I'm NOT A RICH MAN. I work hard for my money and should be allowed to KEEP IT.

3 Billion dollars for Cash for Clunkers comes out to more than $75 from every single taxpaying citizen in this country. WHY IN THE HELL should I give $75 so someone else can get a nicer car?

Besides that the rules of the damn thing were so goofy that it didn't even get the worst cars off the road. The WORST cars are the 20 year old cadillacs located in the inner city. Those folks can't trade in for a thirty thousand dollar Hybrid just because you offered em' 4500 bucks to do it.

The only people that gained from this are a select few that were in a position to buy a car to begin with. At the cost of EVERY SINGLE ONE OF US.

Admit it, if this was a Bush plan you'd be on this very forum blasting him as a buffoon. YOU KNOW YOU WOULD!

And to use your own words, it wasn't my job to save the banks either, but Bush did it anyway.  And how many times did they come back for more money??  That's gonna cost me, my kids, their kids, and those kids' kids way more than $75 each.

Crap. I wish I woulda started this thread two hours ago. I like when we can actually talk about something of some substance once in awhile.

But alas I really do have to get to bed, and by tomorrow I probably won't feel like being a sh*t disturber anymore.

You guys have a good night.

Truthfully I missed whatever reference you're making about Hillary and the Congo.  I'll have to search and read to catch up on that.

Have a good night JR.

And yeah, you should've started this thread much earlier. I loves debating with ya.

If you let me know what day and time it's supposed to be on, I'll watch it Web.  I consider myself to have an open mind.

Oh crap, if it's on pay tv I can't watch it.  I don't pay for tv anymore.

How does he feel about Bush's wars that we are still are paying for with lives, with and money that we simply don't have?

& does he like that Obama now has to try and go fix this inherited mess along with trying  to save the american economy, be tom-thumb to social security, all the while simply trying to get sick people into hospitals that cant afford it? 

what a bad man.

Glenn Beck is not a Bush lover. He's about common sense, democracy, our constitution, and a better America.

I don't get it JD . . . you say Bush was spending money we don't have. I agree, that is a problem. Obama is taking that deficit times what is is now, at least twice or even three times what Bush's was? If we didn't have the money then, spending twice + that and going even deeper and deeper into debt is now a good thing?

Clinton? Oh yeah, he's the guy who pointed his thumb at each and every one of us, looked us all in the eye and lied to us. There's a stand up guy for ya.

What has the government ever taken over that turned out to be a good thing? What has ever ended up being a success after they took it over? Yet, Obama is wanting to take control of more and more. Him believing that he is somehow smarter than every other leader before him and his plans are all going to turn into gold is pure arrogance. All I ask is that rather than us just throwing money (we don't have) at him to spend at will, how about we actually look at what he wants to spend it on? Is that too much to ask?

You want national health care? Go live on a government Indian reservation. Go see for yourself what government ran health care looks like because that is what we'll be getting too. Ask Pip or Ultimo what government ran health care looks like over there. Ask them how long it takes to get something done.

I don't hate Obama just because of who he is. I just think he's taking us in the wrong direction. Bigger government is not my idea of a better America. Bigger government was not the foundation of what this country was formed on. Obama wants bigger government. That is not Bush's fault.

I fully believe in my heart that history will show that if Obama gets his way on everything he is pushing, these things will prove to be many of the biggest mistakes we've ever made. You wanna blame Bush for everything now? Fine, blame Bush, but someday Obama is going to have to answer for his own actions and won't be able to hide behind Bush. I'm curious how long it will take before the Obama followers will finally wonder and ask "what are we getting for our taxes?"

So what are we supposed to do? Are we just supposed stick our heads in the sand and not question where Obama wants to take us? We're just supposed to trust that an inexperienced community organizer knows what is best for us just because he says so? Sorry, I can't do that. I prefer we apply a little common sense to these things, not just blindly follow and keep writing blank checks with the money that you and I are working for.





-- Edited by WebGuy on Sunday 23rd of August 2009 10:36:06 PM

In my honest opinion, I don't think Obama is a bad guy. I don't think he is trying to ruin the country. I do think he is spending a lot of money that there is not a good answer for how it is going to be paid back. I think this is a large problem looming on down the road and will likely fall on my grandkids to shoulder the burden for. I believe this is referred to as generational theft. Obama didn't invent it, but he sure is helping to commit it.

Bush did spend money that we did not have on these wars. As I've stated before, I believe Afghanistan was the right thing to do. Iraq, not so much... but you had to see it coming when he got an in to the Middle East. He was there, might as well visit the neighbors. So far Obama has not come up with a reasonable plan to extricate us from there. It is not as easy to do as he apparently thought during his campaign. He too is spending loads of money on that effort. Congress should not be given a pass for this. Nancy P. and company were in charge of the purse strings when all this got started. No matter how they spin it now, they approved it then. Bush did not act alone in that effort. Bush is not an evil guy either. He was doing what he thought was right, and that is exactly why he was voted into office not once but twice.

Clinton did some good things like balance the budget. He also did some very bad things like allow this country to be kicked around by terrorist organizations and did not very much about it. His lackluster, Hillary led health care reform attempt didn't go anywhere. He expanded and perpetuated the financial policies that lead to the irresponsible mortgage lending practices that helped to trigger the recession. Let us not forget that Bush inherited that little time bomb from Clinton.

Bush did not invent the programs that listen in on citizen's phone calls... he just expanded on them. Bush did not invent extraordinary rendition either. By the way, Obama hasn't terminated either of these programs. He very quietly announced one day that he didn't think it would serve the national interest to do so.

It really doesn't matter which party is in control of the government, there are no completely good or bad guys. They spend a lot of time finger pointing and not much time FIXING things. Obama and the Democrats castigate Bush and the Republicans for how much they spent on the wars while they are spending even more on all of these other programs that may or may not actually help anything.  It is all money that we don't have.

Does it really make sense for one administration to overspend just because the previous one did? There is a lot of talking head criticism of the people who speak out against Obama because he is our President and therefore should be respected. Where was that outrage when this was being done to Bush when he was our President? Seems to me there was a lot of bandwagon jumping where it came to Bush-bashing. NOBODY should be comparing ANYBODY to Hitler and the Nazis... both sides are guilty of that.

Bottom line, Obama does not walk on water. Bush did not light the fires in hell. Its about time everybody got past the partisan rehetoric and got down to fixing the things that are wrong.



-- Edited by Mad Mema on Sunday 23rd of August 2009 11:49:20 PM

Thanks, Web.

I get really tired of all the pointless bickering about who is the evil one. Every administration in modern history has had some dirt on them. Take a long hard look at the financing behind ANY one of the Senators and Representatives who have been around for a while... ALL of them are in bed with the insurance industry, the energy industry, the healthcare industry... If you want to know why nothing really ever changes, it is because both sides of the aisle are being paid to not change anything. Elections cost money, first and foremost these people want to be re-elected... its just dumb to bite the hand that feeds you.