Supreme Court Decisions - Freeze-Frame Radio

Date: Mon Jun 27 18:04 2005

Supreme Court Decisions

JD The Jazz Doctor · Grand Poobah

that's a very good point!

jstdve · CEO - The KOTO Co.

I always thought it said freedom of religion not freedom from religion

Dylan · Leader Of The Banned

Without having read the decision, I dont know the court's rationale for the decision of courthouses not being able to display the ten commandments.

What is interesting is that the seperation of church and state was a doctine meant to keep religion free from government intrusion...but since America and the western world for that matter are becoming more and more secularized, that is being applied to ensure America's Christian values in particular and her religious nature in general are being marginalized.

At least the ten commandments can be displayed on state grounds. But you are right Asisson, the whole legal code we developed in this country was done so with these very same ten commandments in mind. Ironic isnt it?

Date: Mon Jun 27 18:20 2005

They also ruled against allowing people to sue the police in the event a restraining order had been broke. At least that is the premise. I am glad that this was dismissed. I believe that it truly would have opened a can of worms. Do not get me wrong, what happened in that case was very disturbing. However, no amount of money from a police department (ie the taxpayers) will bring her children back.

Dylan · Leader Of The Banned

What is reasonable public policy and what is effective public policy arent always the same things...but If you make a dangerous job any harder...who is going to want to be a law enforcement official. The Court was balancing those two principles.

Sometimes the law can seem extremely cold, but a lawyers job is to weigh the facts in a very clinical light sometimes.

Date: Mon Jun 27 18:31 2005

Okay, next decision. That Cable companies, such as Time Warner, do not have to allow other companies to use their already laid lines. I must disagree! They forced the phone companies to do it. Maybe though it was because the phone company was a monoply for almost 100 years! Wathc in about ten years, they will be forced to when we decide not to pay $90 for cable and high speed internet!

jstdve · CEO - The KOTO Co.

on the other hand thou , there are countrys based on a "religious principle" Iran , Iraq , Malaysia to name a few. But then again there are a few with no religion in govt. N. Korea and Cuba come to mind . Kinda can't win for loseing with those arguments , I'm just haveing a tuff time with the 2% cry babies in the world, 2% want no religion they get it ? I'mean whats up with that ? It's the whole liberal A.C.L.U. thing going here, "you hurt my feelings , I'll sue ." NEWSFLASH - not haveing religion as a part of my govt. is against my religion ! Who due I sue and will the aclu be there for me?

Dylan · Leader Of The Banned

Anti trust laws in this country have changed alot since the early 1900's. Vital interests are allowed certain protections not aforded to many businesses.

The Uniform commercial code, which has a regulatory effect on goods and services also may come in to play.

The bottom line is competition is good for the consumer...

but the competing concern is why should company x spend 50 billion on infrastructure and com[any B can just piggyback on that investment

Jeremy Riggs · 2011 Super Bowl Champions!

I almost brought up the "emminant domain" issue on the air.

Today the ten commandments one was on my mind. They just keep making the wrong decisions.

And we're fortunate to have the biggest a** of them all here in Wisconsin. I can't recall her name, but it's a woman who works out of Madison trying to keep religion out of everything. She was on the radio today spouting off about how the decision wasn't strong enough, it left too much wiggle room for allowing religion into our courthouses and our government buildings.

Pretty sad when you make it your lifes work to ban God from everything. You must get a real feeling of accomplishment when you've succeeded in that.

Dylan · Leader Of The Banned

Always a series of competing interests

jstdve · CEO - The KOTO Co.

the "other co.s " outta lay there own lines , rite next to the existing ones.{ You ever see a backhoe operator the monday after ? hey accidents will happen ! }

Dylan · Leader Of The Banned

And boys will be boys

MzHartz · Permanent Vacation

I'm not Christian, but I see no problem with the ten commandments being posted at a courthouse. The ten commandments go beyond religion, it's just a basic moral code.

star · The Goddess Of Gab

Exactly Mz! I had this discussion w/ my Dad the other day. And I was just like - is it in the 10 Commandments? That's just good morals to say the least.

confuzzed · Permanent State of Confusion

I never did understand what the big deal about the ten commandments hanging around was. They were not being preached, the were just there. I also agree with Ruby that the laws were developed from the starting base of the commandments. I would like to know who was it bothering? If I don't like the picture that the government hangs in the buliding lobby (paid for by my tax money) should I storm the courts and make them remove it? It just seems silly.

If you choose not to follow God then it is your chioce. No one is forcing you to do anything. So the commandments are not your cup of tea, so be it. But don't try to impose your choices on me, whether they are right or wrong. We all have our freedom for a reason.

WFTR · Prophet of the Posts

The ultimate hypocracy? Two cases about the 10 Commandments, one went for, one went against. If that ain't splitting a hair for the sake of politics, what is? Remember Judge Roy Moore? They made a great arguement on that one and it was ignored. As the provision is written, the federal government officially looks at religion as "hands off", meaning don't endorse OR prohibit. If something has been left alone by the feds, it then becomes a matter for the states to handle. Alabama has written into it's constitution that God shall be recognized and promoted. Judge Moore was upholding his state's law when he put up the monument! The feds had no right to interfere. So why did the Supreme Court even hear the case? And if you've set a precedent, why is it a split set of decisions now? They are making law, not interpreting it. And why doesn't the Senate exercise its constitutional obligation to kkep the court in check? Because if you can't acomplish your agenda on the floor, just let the courts do it for you.

WHEW! I'm winded.

Date: Tue Jun 28 14:18 2005

Great point WFTR, as for that matter, great points everyone. I am trying to add some substance to our threads. I know that we are intelligent sometimes!

MzHartz · Permanent Vacation

Riggs was doing that for a while, and then the Breakfast Club kinda went away...

BTW, Ruby, I love the new avatar!

Date: Tue Jun 28 14:25 2005

Thanks and your tip worked great!

Music Junkie · Living Legend

I am a lapse catholic, and learned the 10 commandments at an early age... while I agree that some of them are just fine for laws for Americans to follow (as they pertain to the safety and well being of its citizen's) there are other's that i feel don't have any place in our government buildings....

Of course thou shall not kill, steal, or perjury has already been decided by our judicial system to be against the law...

No adultery or coveting after the Smith's and the honoring your parents rules are nice and morally correct....

Maybe i'd like to change misusing the lord's name with a nice suggestion about not using foul language of any sort.

I don't think that a country that has one of its main principles based on Fredom of Religeon should be encouraging rules about keeping the sabbath sacred (i am sure walmart would have something to say about that!), worshipping other gods (isn't that what freedom of religion is all about?), or making images of said other gods (again, not really anybody's business).

Sometimes i just want to ask why?

I guess i just like to mind my own business.

Jeremy Riggs · 2011 Super Bowl Champions!

You know MJ, I've had this discussion with Dylan once or twice and I totally see your point.

I think the reason the ten commandments have a place in a courthouse though is historical, not religious.

But if you took it strictly as a religious view, I would have to agree with you. I mean, how fair is it if someone of the Muslim faith is on trial for something, and they are surrounded by nothing from their culture but huge granite displays of the Christian faith.

BUT, like I said, I think it's actually more about a historical perspective.

I don't know, it's too much for my brain to handle after a hard day of work in 90+ degree heat.

WFTR · Prophet of the Posts

O.K., I'll put in two more of my cents and then leave it alone.

No matter what our current culture may say, you can't change the fact that the U.S.A. was started as a Christian country. By the basis of Christianity, you cannot, should not force that chose on anyone, but the principles of the Judeo-Christian faith are the basis for all that we hold dear. If we rub away all reference to that or try to sub-divide history and only remember the parts we like, we are giving false testimony to ourselves and to our kids. This is the U.S.A., if you don't like part of it or have doubts, you can say so! You can raise a debate and discuss your views. But removing the parts you don't like, and removing the discussion from the public square only serves as an agent of the intollerance that everyone points to when they object to the Commandments.

(WFTR Rant!) (What? That last bit wasn't?) Music Junkie, please take a second look at Christianity, outside of just the Roman Catholic views. I was born and raised Catholic as well, and some times you just need to see a bigger picture.

I PROMISED! I'M DONE! (For now.)

-- Edited by WFTR at 11:15, 2005-06-29

Dylan · Leader Of The Banned

Just for the record, I am Roman Catholic. I am not going to proselytize here. Whatever religious affiliation people may have, WFTR is right, the important thing is to seek God with our whole heart mind and soul. That is the big picture. I just felt compelled to balance the equation so to speak and say that Catholicism has been an important part of my life. I have gotten back so much more than I could ever have given.

Date: Wed Jun 29 12:33 2005

Amen!

BTW used to be Catolic, switched to Episcopalian!