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Bail too high??


I just read this. I agree with the judge. Also, I would like to see whoever he got this gun from to be in trouble. Obviously the gun was not in a secure location with a safety on it. At 12, we all know better, I am glad that apparently no one got hurt.


 


BOSTON, Massachusetts (AP) -- A juvenile court judge shocked prosecutors by setting bail at $250,000 for a 12-year-old boy charged with firing a gun in the city.


The district attorney's office had asked for $5,000 bail when the boy was arraigned Tuesday on a juvenile weapons possession charge.


Judge Paul D. Lewis said he had lost patience with youth violence after 23 years on the juvenile bench.


"These kids don't take responsibility for anything," the judge told The Boston Globe after Tuesday's ruling. "They're fearless. It's out of control. It's beyond out of control."


The boy's lawyer, Mariann Samaha, said he is developmentally disabled and has never before been in trouble with the law. She plans to appeal the bail ruling.


The boy, whose name was withheld because of his age, allegedly fired a .38-caliber handgun Monday evening on a street corner in the South End. Police officers heard the shot and saw the youth running off. He later approached the officers and handed them the loaded gun, wrapped in a bandanna, police said.


Police said Wednesday there were a couple other youngsters with the boy, but there is no indication he pointed the gun at anyone. Police didn't know if the bullet hit anything.


Prosecutors felt that $5,000 was fair, said spokesman David Procopio.


Mayor Thomas Menino applauded the high bail.


"You have to send messages that we're not going to tolerate guns on the street," he said.



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I think the bail was too high. I'd agree with a few days in juvy and probation, but this kid doesn't have a job, the bail will only affect his parents. The only way I'd agree with the high bail is if he got the gun from his parents.

-- Edited by MzHartz at 11:21, 2005-08-24

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wow. Scary Stuff.


Throw the Kid in the slammer in a real jail until he is 18. Although its sad that it happened to someone so young.



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6 years in jail for shooting a gun and doing no damage? That's a little extreme. Mandatory gun safety classes should be added on to whatever his sentence is though.

What's the normal sentence when an adult shoots a gun in city limits? A fine?

-- Edited by MzHartz at 11:26, 2005-08-24

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He's developmentally disabled.

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That is a good point MZ, I wonder that too. I do believe that the bail will hurt his parents, if they want him out. But it also hurts him, if he is supposed to be in school now or something. It is just very scary to think that kids do not know better. Watch they will blame this on video games or something!

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Ruby, I'm really surprised you're siding with the judge in this case...

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Throw the parents in jail or the person whom he got the gun from.

This is the kind of crap that happens when you don't allow the teachers to disipline kids. They realize they can get away with crap in school and the parents don't back up the teachers or schools. So there is no real penalties for kids. Then they run amock and...alright I'm stepping off my soap box now. I could go on....



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I don't think the bail was high enough.


Parents need to be responsible for their kids.


If they are not aware that child is playing with guns on the street corner, then they are not doing a very good job.   If they have not managed to teach their child that playing with guns is absolutely forbidden, then they are not doing a good job.


Parents who fail to supervise their children and let them endanger others absolutely should be held responsible and punished.


Of course, I am speaking as an outraged taxpayer who lives in a big city and sees inner-city children on a daily basis.  


I don't have children but I don't know if i would be able to forgive myself f i did have a child who killed someone due to my lack of supervision or parenting skills


 


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MZ the only reason I can think that you are surprised is because of what my son did. Is that correct?? These cases are totally different- violent and non violent. I believe that my son should be held liable and us too for letting him out of the house, but we have fulfilled the legal obligations and I dare him to do something like this again Of course I can't keep dibs on him 24/7, but I believe that if he gets in trouble again, that we are all liable to a point.


With this boy, someone needs to wake up. They usually set bail on different factors- how much the parents make, the nature of the crime, etc... Maybe 25,000 is not a big deal for his parents. You only need 10%!



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I don't care that he was developmentally challenged.  My sister had a Down Syndrome child and she knew that guns were bad and not to shoot them.  No excuse, he had the wherewithall to possess it, point it and fire it, which means he understood the consequenses of pulling the trigger.


I side with the judge and think it's about time to reign down punishment--MJ is right, kids think they can get away with anything.



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They could be saying developmentally disabled, and technically the kid could have ADHD or dyslexia... I don't always trust lawyer-speak.

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probably a crack baby.

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First of all, no one got hurt, and nothing got damaged. I'm not saying the child shouldn't be punished. If the kid got the gun from his parents, the $25,000 seems perfectly reasonable to me. But if he didn't, it seems excessive. You try to teach your kids right, but there comes a point where you have to trust them. If he's 12 and well behaved, I don't think he should be locked inside the house 24/7. (Until of course he does something like this!) A high bail punishes the parents more than the kid, and I don't know enough about this story to think the parents did anything wrong. The person he got the gun from should be the one hit with the hefty fine.

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  MZ-   he knew what he did was wrong or he wouldn't have run , Do you want to wait till he kills someone before you do anything ?  and when he does ? What ?, give him 'counciling ?  spare me.

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I said I want him to be punished. I think he should be. I just don't think it should be monetary, because that's not punishing him.

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First of all, you only lose the bail if the child skips out on it. So they would get it back. As a parent of a 10 year old, I would not want another child this age on the street with a gun with my son, especially if he is developmentally disabled. I agree with the judge. Teach him a harsh lesson now so that he doesn't do it again in the future. Guns are not a toy, they are not something to brandish to prove you are cool. They are deadly and they kill. Or rather, using them can be deadly and kill. If he had accidentally shot himself, his parents would be going after the gun company right now and suing their pants off because they didn't put a huge warning sticker on there with pictures showing that it was deadly.

I also agree with Ruby. This is apples and oranges when compared to what her son did. Damage or not from the gun, it's the message that is sent when you allow a child to brandish a gun on the street and only give him a slap on the wrist. On that same vein of thought, I think there should be harsher penalties for adults who do the same.

Wow, when did this soapbox get so high?

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glad you arent afraid of heights Trish...that soap box was just the right height

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I give up, I can't say it enough. I want him to be punished. I just think a high bail is not punishing him.

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I see your point Mz...I think the only thing the high bail does is keep him off the streets for now...the punitive stage will come later

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MZ I do think that the high bail punishes him. If he can't post it, then he is stuck in jail. Which is probably where he belongs!

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  the hi bail punishes all , if the parents dont have it , he stays in jail (where he should be ) , if they have it , thats fine , they should be punished to , for bad parenting .

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