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Molly


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I'm already on a roll today, so I thought I'd throw another log in the fire. I was forwarded the email below. Now I do dislike Target for not allowing the Salvation Army to stand outside thier doors. But I feel it's unfair to these other businesses to boycott them because they are trying to be more culturally friendly.
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There are about 6 stores or so listed below that refuse to allow their employees to
say "Merry Christmas," or to advertise anything about "Merry Christmas" during this
upcoming holy season. I plan to not shop at these businesses and thought that some
of you would be interested in signing this petition which goes out to them.
It appears from the article that Target stock has already been affected by 7%.
I did not know they were one of the businesses until this morning.....Sears, K-Mart,
Kohls, etc. are included. I hope you will sign the petition. God bless.

Please forward this e-mail message to your family and friends!

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Target Getting the Message - Stock Drops 7%

"There is an anti-Christian bias in this country, and it is more on display at Christmas season than any other time." – Bill O'Reilly, The O'Reilly Factor, Fox News Channel – (Speaking about the decision of Target and other stores to ban the use of "Merry Christmas" in their stores and advertising.)
Dear Suzanne,

On October 7 we brought to your attention that Target was banning the Salvation Army's kettles from the front of their stores. Now we've learned Target is also banning the use of "Merry Christmas" from their in-store promotions and from their advertising in papers, TV, etc.

Your efforts are having an impact. USA Today (11/16/05) announced that "Target alarmed investors by saying projected sales at stores open a year in November would miss the estimated 4% to 6% growth. Shares of Target fell $4.13 to $54.30." (A 7% drop.)

Target's ban of the Salvation Army and "Merry Christmas" expresses the same attitude toward Christianity as that held by Michael Newdow, who wants to ban "In God We Trust" from our currency and "under God" from our Pledge of Allegiance.

AFA is asking individuals to boycott Target during the upcoming Thanksgiving weekend—the busiest shopping weekend of the year. Please share this request to boycott Target on that weekend with friends, family and members of your church and Sunday school class.

Please sign the petition to Target. This petition will also be sent to other major chains banning the use of "Merry Christmas" including Costco, BJ's, Wal-Mart, Sears/K-Mart and Kohl's. It is basically too late to change their policies this year, but we can change it for next year. Last year we called for a boycott of Federated Stores because they banned "Merry Christmas." This year they are using "Merry Christmas!"

A successful boycott of Target will send a message to every company!

This is your opportunity to make your voice heard. Please act today and then forward this to friends and family.



Click Here to Sign the Petition To Target and Other Stores Now!

Sincerely,

Don

Donald E. Wildmon, Founder and Chairman
American Family Association

P.S. Please forward this e-mail message to your family and friends!



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jstdve


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 culturaly friendly ?  BULL SHIT!  More like jump on the liberal P.C. Bandwagon.


 What the Hell kinda culture do you/them think this country is anyway?


 heres a clue-  MERRY CHRISTMAS !



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I am not a Christian. But nonetheless, MERRY CHRISTMAS!!!

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Who cares what you call it, but are you going to boycott those stores just because they're saying Season's Greetings instead of Merry Christmas?

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jstdve


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 when a store makes a decision based on P. C . yes i will boycott them .


 its like walmart not using Merry Christmas in their ads  , same BS , they'll sell you Christmas lights , cookies , presents  and will even wrap them in Christmas paper but the employees are forbiden to say Merry Christmas ? WTF is wrong with this picture ?


    IT IS ALL POST 9-11 DON'T WANNA HURT ANYONE FEELINGS FOR FEAR THE WHOLE WIDE WORLD WILL THINK AMERICA DOESN'T LIKE ANY ONE WHO ISN'T A CHRISTIAN  P.C. ASSININE MENTALLITY BULL_ 


 



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Employees aren't forbidden at Wal-Mart to say Merry Christmas. The rest is just marketing strategy.

Hey Dave, Happy Hanukkah!

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jstdve


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  seasons greetings ! ya , so EXACTLY what season would that be ? football ? basket ball ?


  rabbit ?



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 LOL , thats some startegy they got going there ! 


       heres another winning strategy - when its 4th and 35 , try a quarterback draw !


  TY for the hanukkah , it's nice to know that my Jewish friends are thinking about me durring


  their holidays and are wishing me well. ! I hope to return the favor in about a month



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I think the whole thing is getting out of hand.  Someone is always offended.  Let's get back to basics folks.

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Jeremy Riggs


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Boy you ARE on a roll today Molly.

Did somebody beat the crap out of you with a bible when you were a kid?


My 2 cents, it's ridiculous to change "Merry Christmas" to "Season's Greetings" for PC reasons (or as they put it to be more "multi-cultural").

I don't shop much, but I would definately try to avoid Target during the holiday season if they have made that a mandatory things for employees.

I mean, for craps sake, let the employee decide, if the checker wants to say Merry Christmas they should be able to, if they want to say Seasons Greetings they should be able to say that.

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Here is a reason to boycott Home Depot:


METHUEN, Massachusetts (AP) -- Home Depot Inc. apologized to a carpenter who was banned by the chain worldwide after he absent-mindedly pocketed a pencil he had used up to do some quick math.


Michael Panorelli, 51, of Lawrence, was accused of shoplifting from the Methuen, Massachusetts store last Thursday and banned from Home Depots.


Panorelli was with a client and had just bought some lumber when the client picked up the pencil sitting next to a cash register for Panorelli to use. Panorelli pocketed the pencil and was met in the parking lot by a worker who asked for identification.


The worker presented Panorelli with one letter saying he was banned from Home Depot, and another advising that he would be hearing from the company's lawyers.


Panorelli took his story to the Eagle-Tribune newspaper in Lawrence, which published it over the weekend.


On Sunday Atlanta-based Home Depot issued a written apology, saying the incident was prompted by a narrow interpretation of its shoplifting-prevention rules.


"We will not be pursuing any claims against Mr. Panorelli for this incident," the statement said. "We welcome Mr. Panorelli back as a customer in our stores at any time."


But the carpenter said he had no intention of doing business there again, adding, "Why should I put money in someone's pocket when they treat me like this?"



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I willl say this in Targets defense. That is not a company wide policy. depending on the store and the city is the choice to ban the words Merry Christmas.


When I worked at the Target during Christmas Last year, I always said Happy Holidays, or Merry Christmas or Holiday. 


The reason behind this IMO is that not everyone wants to be reminded its Christmas. There are those folks for whom Christmas is just another day. and who do not celebrate Christmas for any one reason. For some its just an excuse to stay home and do nothing. for others its another day.


Course when you work in retail at Christmas and you have scores of people waiting to get into your store  to shop for the hottest toy or item ( the new Xbox or an IPOD) and they run you ragged and screaming kids are not controlled by thier parents and allow the kids torun through a department and destroy the Displays that you spent the last 2 hours putting up you tend to lose your holiday spirit and just want them out of your site.   Not that this has happened to me before



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 so what your saying is : Target is afraid of hurting a small minorities feelings ?


 where I'm from , we like to spread cheer and good tidings to all , and if people have a problem


 with Christmas , they can stay home.


  Freedom OF religion , not freedom FROM religion.


 PS- why someone would want to drag screaming brats into any store has always been a mystery to me. You have my sypathys on that one.


 O-ya , saw you Sat. for a sec , had to go work at Dillards ?



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jstdve wrote:
  Freedom OF religion , not freedom FROM religion.


I like that Dave.



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Hey Thump, they don't want to be REMINDED it's Christmas?

You know how many aspects of our society I WOULD LIKE to NOT be reminded of?

I agree to an extent though. Like I said, I think it should be the employees choice. It's just not right for Target to tell it's employees they can't say it, even if it is in just selected areas.

Funny, everyone is more than happy to take part in the Christmas Sale prices, that doesn't seem to offend their senses.

I'm just so frickin' sick of all this crap.

Let's get back to talking about what our favorite colors are. This forum is becoming depressing.

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I'm a purple fan myself web.

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jstdve


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             I wrote some happy stuff today , honestly I did , you musta still been


   incubating when I posted it . 


 


 



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I saw some of it Dave



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Molly


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We don't have a Home Depot in our town to boycott. But I don't blame that carpenter for doing so. How many pens get stolen after a credit card slip is signed?

I boycott Target because they don't let the Salvation Army stand outside it's doors.

From what I've read on other reports (including Snopes) on the subject, none of these stores ban employees from saying Merry Christmas, they just suggest they say Season's Greetings. No one is going to get fired or disciplined for saying Merry Christmas (well, except maybe Wal-Mart employees, because they'll hold anything that they can against their employees so they don't have to pay them more). Not using Merry Christmas in their ads is a marketing decision. They don't use Happy Hanukkah either, but they do sell menorahs.

My entire point is that saying Season's Greetings to someone shouldn't be an offense, at least they are still wishing you a happy holiday. Now I'm afraid to say anything to anyone for fear that I may say something offensive.

(Just had to add my last 2 cents.)

And my favorite color is red.

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I'm always thrilled when someone says Merry Christmas, because you don't hear it very often anymore. 'Course, having designed and coordinated the Chr-, er, Holiday Party for my office for the last three years, I'm used to the PC element inherent in the system. I can't remember the last time I said Merry Christmas outside of family get-togethers, so I guess you could say I've become PC about it, myself. The alternative would be to say Happy Kwannakahmas... and that's just too much of a mouthful for me.

I can't see myself boycotting anyone for their choice of having the ringing santa or not. Quite honestly, it's a nice change not to have the bells out in front of every single store I frequent for the holidays - just a couple years ago I was thinking it was getting ridiculous. I just don't have that much pocket change.

Funny, a friend of mine recounted a few years back when his wife purchased their Christmas Cards, choosing the cards based on their unusual, brilliant colors and novel way of saying Merry Christmas: Happy Kwanza. Needless to say she was mortified when she realized just what she'd mailed out...

ps... favorite color is green. sorry for ruffling feathers unintentionally - I tried to balance it with the screaming house possessed by the Spirit of Christmas!!

-- Edited by Zim at 07:36, 2005-11-22

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Here is where you go if your not "Politically Correct"



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I waited to comment on this because one of my workstudies works at Target too. Well she came in I asked her about this. She has never been told not to say Merry Christmas. I figured it was internet rumors- urban lergend- and it is! Right from an employees mouth. (A very Christian mouth too!)


 


No boycotting Target!



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Molly


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I'm still boycotting Target for the Salvation Army thing. Has anyone heard that they made a sizable donation to the Salvation Army? If so, I'll stop boycotting them. But I think it's just rude to no longer let them sit outside the doors. I agree we should take the bell away from them though! And in most cases, they don't even ask you to make a donation, it's up to you to walk over to the bucket and drop something in.

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I found this, I guess I understand. Plus if people want to make a donation, they will and still can.


 


Target Corporation has a long-standing “no solicitation” policy at all of our stores. Like many nationwide retailers, Target Corporation implemented this policy in order to be consistent with all the groups that request access to our stores and to provide our guests with a comfortable, distraction-free shopping environment.


Therefore, Target Corporation restricts the use of its parking lots and facilities to only business use. Target does not permit individuals (including political candidates and/or their campaign organizations) or nonprofit organizations to solicit donations, distribute literature, sell merchandise or hold events on our premises.

Target has received attention for applying this policy to all groups, including the Salvation Army. We receive an increasing number of solicitation inquiries from nonprofit organizations and groups each year and determined that if we continue to allow the Salvation Army to solicit, then it opens the door to any other groups that wish to solicit our guests. While some of our guests may welcome the opportunity to support their favorite charity or cause, allowing these organizations to solicit means that Target would also have to permit solicitation by organizations whose causes or behavior may be unacceptable to our guests.



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SHOP ON MOLLY:


 


This is straight from the source (salvation army site!):


 


MINNEAPOLIS, MN & ALEXANDRIA, VA (November 14, 2005) – Warm bedding. Socks for little feet. A wished-for baby doll or basketball. Because simple gifts can mean so much, Target and The Salvation Army today announced their partnership for The Target/Salvation Army Wish List, an online site to provide essential items for those impacted by recent hurricanes, and other individuals and families in need across the country.



From November 25, 2005 through January 25, 2006 visitors to Target.com/salvationarmy can view and purchase clothing, household items, personal products and Gift Cards to be donated to families across the country. The Salvation Army will distribute the purchased items. In addition, guests can directly connect to the The Salvation Army’s website to make a financial donation.

“The Salvation Army has been vital in helping hurricane survivors through the recovery process while maintaining their steadfast commitment to strengthening local communities,” said Laysha Ward, vice president community relations, Target. “We share their ongoing commitment to long-term preparedness, and are proud to partner with The Salvation Army as we strive to make a real difference in the lives of families across the country this holiday season.”


“This is an important partnership with Target to help the people of these areas begin to rebuild their lives,” said Major George Hood, national community relations and development secretary for The Salvation Army. “With their assistance, we are enabling thousands of Gulf Coast families and people all across the country to begin that process.”


About Target
Minneapolis-based Target serves guests at 1,400 stores in 47 states nationwide by delivering today's best retail trends at affordable prices. Target is committed to providing guests with great design through innovative products, in-store experiences and community partnerships. Whether visiting a Target store or shopping online at Target.com, guests enjoy a fun and convenient shopping experience with access to thousands of unique and highly differentiated items. Target (NYSE: TGT) gives back more than $2 million a week to its local communities through grants and special programs. Since opening its first store in 1962, Target has partnered with nonprofit organizations, guests and team members to help meet community needs.


About The Salvation Army
The Salvation Army, an evangelical part of the universal Christian church, has been supporting those in need in His name without discrimination since 1865. Nearly 34 million Americans receive assistance from The Salvation Army each year through the broadest array of social services that range from providing food for the hungry, relief for disaster victims, assistance for the disabled, outreach to the elderly and ill, clothing and shelter to the homeless and opportunities for underprivileged children. About 83 cents of every dollar raised is used to support those services in nearly 5,000 communities nationwide. For more information, go to http://www.salvationarmyusa.org, call 1-800-SAL-ARMY, or send a check to your local Salvation Army earmarked for disaster relief.



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Molly


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That works for me, I'll add Target back to my list. It just seemed rude to contribute to something for so long, and then just pull out due to policy. But it appears that they are in fact continuing to give to the Salvation Army in a different aspect, so that works for me. (Which is good, because I prefer Target over K-Mart or Wal-Mart.)

Too bad the site's not up yet. I'll have to check back on Friday to see if I can get little Johnny a new truck! (Figuratively speaking...)

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