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The irony is killing me


This sounds like something directly out of Hollywood. This murderer who has caught the eye of several people in the entertainment industry now has his fate being decided by someone who is very powerful, yet dependent?? on Hollywood. Maybe not completely anymore, but politically there is not really anywhere for him to go.


SACRAMENTO, California (AP) -- With his execution scheduled for Tuesday, his attorneys have made their final appeals. Now, Crips co-founder and convicted murderer Stanley Tookie Williams must wait on death row to find out if Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger will spare his life.


Attorneys for Williams, who helped create the Crips street gang, met for about an hour with Schwarzenegger on Thursday to appeal for his clemency, a decision the governor could make at the 11th hour. Attorneys on both sides were reticent about the meeting.


Williams' lead attorney, Peter Fleming, told reporters, "I'm still frightened to death." Asked about Williams' chance of getting clemency, Fleming said, "I'm not an oddsmaker." ( Watch what his former neighbors think -- 2:13)


Williams is scheduled to die Tuesday, 17 days before his 52nd birthday, for four murders he was convicted of committing in 1979.


Williams was sentenced to death in 1981. The governor must decide by Monday whether to send him to the death chamber, but Schwarzenegger's office has indicated that the decision will likely come sooner.


If Schwarzenegger decides to grant him clemency, Williams will have his death sentence commuted to life in prison without parole, a fate his attorneys say he deserves for his anti-gang crusades from jail and his authoring of children's books warning kids about the dangers of gang life. Proceeds from those books have been donated to anti-gang community groups.


However, lead prosecutor John Monaghan scoffs at the notion of Williams' good will and repentance, saying the gang leader killed four people in an "abhorrent manner" and that he has never admitted to or apologized for his crimes. Moreover, Monaghan said, Williams has refused to provide authorities with any valuable information about the Crips.


"These were extremely brutal crimes," he told reporters. "Mr. Williams should pay the ultimate penalty for his crimes." (Read how prison officials have tried to offset Williams' positive press)


Williams was convicted of shooting the teen clerk of a Los Angeles, California, convenience store in the back as the 17-year-old lay on the floor.


He also was convicted of shooting and killing a Chinese couple and their 41-year-old daughter and stealing less than $100 from their motel room.


All four murders were handled in a single trial.


Fleming said Williams told him he never admitted to the crimes because he didn't commit them. "If my innocence will cost me my life, so be it," Fleming recalled his client once telling him.


But Monaghan said Williams won't confess because he would have no shot at getting his sentence commuted if he did.


"In the face of overwhelming evidence, he denies he committed them because he knows if he admitted he committed them, he simply wouldn't have a chance at all," he said. "If Mr. Williams truly had turned a new leaf, he would sit down and he would debrief. He would lay out everything he knows about the Crips gang."


The fight to save Williams has become a cause celebre with Hollywood heavy hitters like rapper Snoop Dogg and actor Jamie Foxx speaking in favor of Williams.


They are just two of the many celebrities and politicians weighing in on the case, thus putting intense pressure on Schwarzenegger, who already has been given an earful by law enforcement officials, religious groups, victims' rights advocates, death penalty opponents and the NAACP. ( Watch what the governor is facing -- 3:02)


Outside the California Capitol Thursday, scores of protesters gathered to support Williams, holding signs that read "Save Tookie!" and "Abolish the racist death penalty."


Williams' attorneys petitioned the state's high court November 10 to reopen the case, alleging that the forensic testing on the shell casings from the motel was faulty and that informants lied to prosecutors. In a 4-2 vote last week, the California Supreme Court declined to stop the execution. (Full story)


A California governor has not granted clemency to a death row inmate since 1967.



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Gas his A$$

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CP since you live there, is there a sense how Arnie might approach this?

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I hate how people turn it into a race thing. Now if he does make the decision that he should be executed, they're just going to say it's because he's black. That has nothing to do with it at all!!!

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UUURRGGGHHHH!  He's not on death row because of the color of his skin.  He's on death row because he was convicted of murdering 4 people.  I seriously doubt he was framed or wrongly convicted.  It's great if he has changed his way of thinking on gangs and such, but come on now... Tookie Williams helped create the monster he has gained acclaim for fighting.  He helped to create it, so he is at least in part responsible for every criminal action and misdeed done by the Crips organization.


As stated earlier, who even knows (other than Tookie himself) how genuine this life conversion really is.  Would he have made this massive life change had he not been convicted of these murders? Highly doubtful.  Regardless, he was convicted and sentenced. None of the courts have seen a reason to overturn his sentence. What he has done for the world in the mean time is great, but he still, according to a jury of his peers, killed 4 people.  Had those 4 people known what the timeline was for their demise, what wonderful things might they have done with the time they had left?  We'll never know. 


IMHO, he should be grateful for the additional time he had to do something good in the world.  Perhaps that will help to balance the scales of judgement on him when he meets his maker. Somehow, I suspect he will have much more to answer for when he gets there than just these 4 lives.



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Arnie is not very popular right now, but of course he is a Republican in a very heavily Democratic State.  I personally think he will let him die to show that he is tough on crime.

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That is good to hear CP!



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Well all is done! I wonder if there will be any riots? I hope not, but sometimes people just are plain dumb. I saw some idiot on the news last night saying- You are killing a children's author! Gosh you think he left some other important factors out!

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Some people just don't think.  Since when does writing some children's books make up for taking a single human life, let alone 4, not to even mention the thousands killed by the Crips over the years.


I vote "that guy" for the SHUT THE HELL UP award.



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  no , that award goes to JESSE !!  "he was convicted by an all white jury "  lol , tell that to the guy on the end.


   also - I know another guy who wrote a book... Hitler ! ( and he wrote his BEFORE he killed anyone )


     Gov. Arnold made it clear - he has shown no remorse ( thou he maintains inocence so thats kinda null and void )  but he did NOT help the police in any way shape or form to stop the crips . no names , nothing . and that showed Arnold he was not a changed man .


 Had I been Gov. I would have commuted his sentence to life, and this is what I would have said to the public :  for a man to be on death row for 25 years is ludicrous.  If the state can't finish an appeal process in less than 1 year it's time to change the way the state does buisness , for the victims families or residents of the state to wait this long for justice to be carried out is mind numbing. The death penalty is broke and no one can fix it , it's time to try something else .


 also - I think the only people at the prison to protest his execution worth listening to were the ones who want to abolish it . The rest are un-informed or there for their own personel gain - see JESSE and Co.



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Well this next election year the legislature should jump on the reform bandwagon. Strike while the iron is hot and people might actually vote for you based on one issue like this! Sad but true, many vote uneducated, but on fire about some wrong to them.

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