Seriously, what is WRONG with these kids? - Freeze-Frame Radio

Jeremy Riggs · 2011 Super Bowl Champions!

Seriously, what is WRONG with these kids?

Date: Mon Jan 16 10:36 2006

Yeah the images are very disturbing- the story was bad enough without the video. I really feel sorry for the parents. How hard to have to deal with that. I hope they lock them up and throw away the keys!

-- Edited by Ruby at 10:36, 2006-01-16

JD The Jazz Doctor · Grand Poobah

I saw that footage and saw they surrendered last night. How I would love to give them a dose of their own medicine....

Pambo · Waiting To Be Widowed

Ruby, you are so nice.

I don't feel bad for the parents. They raised these kids.

Dylan · Leader Of The Banned

Pambo I agree with you to a point...the parents did raise these monkeys, but at what point do the kids have to assume responsibility for theor own actions.....17 and 18 is definitely old enough to have a fully developed conscience....or a vaccuum where one should have been

Molly · The Mediator

All Pambo was saying is that she doesn't feel bad for these parents. I agree. But I do also agree that these kids have to take responsibillity for their actions themselves.

Date: Tue Jan 17 14:55 2006

I do not want to start an argument or hurt any feelings, but I can tell you it is not always the parents. I look at the things my son has done and I find it hard to see what I did so wrong to make him do some of the things he does. I am sure you all can, but... not really!

Also I look at me and my brother and we are completely different. He is a loser, thief , and a drug addict and I on the other hand am a loser, but not a drug addict or thief! We had the same parents and experiences growing up- we just made different choices!

Pambo · Waiting To Be Widowed

I'll go along with you on that. My sister & I are very different, too.

What I'm saying is that the parents have to take responsibility, too. Maybe I take too much of my children's actions upon myself...but i refuse to not take any of the responsibility. Bad choices, yes. But apparently I didn't do my job well enough if they're making those kinds of choices.

It's not ALL on the parents but some of it has to be on them.

Date: Tue Jan 17 15:05 2006

Ok, I will agree with that!

Being a parent can really suck sometimes!

Molly · The Mediator

There's also a big difference between doing something like vandalism and killing a person.

Date: Tue Jan 17 15:19 2006

Oh I agree, but my son makes stupid decisions almost everyday. Nothing even close to murder, but they make me think of it!

Pambo · Waiting To Be Widowed

My kids make all KINDS of bad choices, too. I think that's why I'm on the verge of an ulcer. But I don't kid myself that I didn't have anything to do with those choices. Parents are children's biggest influences. We gotta take some of the blame. Heck, we try to take ALL the credit when they're good. At least I do anyway.

Date: Tue Jan 17 15:32 2006

I guess what gets me about the boy is he is sooo intelligent- a very quick learner with an awesome memory. He gets that from me. But he is so lazy and unmotivated and not at all organized. He cannot keep up at school because he does not know what he is supposed to do. He is overwhelmed and he is a total slob. He is the anti me!!! I set those examples- the house is spotless except his room and I graduated from college with a 4.00, so obviously I had to be somewhat organized! I went to college when he was old enough to remember me doing my work.

I try to back off him, but I can't. If he fails- it will not be from lack of trying!

My trying!

-- Edited by Ruby at 15:44, 2006-01-17

Pambo · Waiting To Be Widowed

I think it's the age. My son's 11 & I thought you were describing him for a minute there. When he was younger, my son was Mr. Perfect. Now...not so much.

I figure that I had input on the good so I MUST have had input on the bad as well. (hence the ulcer)

Molly · The Mediator

This is why I'm a huge advocate for teenagers. I'd love to open up a charity that provides centers for teenagers. It's the most important part in a person's life, and what they experience as teenagers will influence the type of adult they become.

Dylan · Leader Of The Banned

I qam not a parent, but I have to believe society in general is a much worse influence on kids than when we were their ages.

Kids are influenced by so many things outside the home...and the bar keeps getting reset lower and lower.

FActor in the internet...and there is so much a parent must battle...This type of thing isnt on the decline...there were several cases like this in milwaukee where gangs of kids beat up and in one case killed an adult...

makes you wonder what the common denominator was

Mad Mema · Bad Biker Granny

I don't think I have much sympathy for the parents here either. A kid has to learn that sort of sociopathic behavior somewhere. It's hard to believe that they were born this way. Granted, that happens... but it is rare and sociopaths generally don't befriend each other enough to do this kind of thing.

I'm a step-parent of two boys who grew up in a situation where there were no real rules until I came into the picture. I came from a military (Marine Corps officer) family. The culture shock was amazing. But thanks to me, my boys are now silverware using, clothing wearing, generally law abiding adults with families of their own. A far cry from the wild little savages I met all those years ago.

From what I have seen, in lots of cases parents quit being parents and started being buddies. Society has encouraged that behavior by almost making it illegal to parent your children. It's all about making sure everyone has tons of self-esteem. That kind of thing used to have to be earned, but now it is an expectation. You can't tell kids "no" without risking a civil liberties lawsuit. It's just crazy.

Dylan · Leader Of The Banned

That is a point I have noticed with my friends kids...they want to be their friend....that time comes when the kids are 18 and on their own.

Valid point on the spanking etc....heaven forbid the ACLU get involved.

Dont even get me started on the self esteem issue.

Mad Mema · Bad Biker Granny

My youngest once threatened to call the police on me for child abuse because I threatened to spank him. I informed him that the police station is 5 minutes away which is more than enough time for me to give them a reason to arrest me. He decided to not press his luck.

Oddly, of the four parents involved in their lives, I'm the favorite parent to this day. As my youngest put it, "You might have been mean and tough, but at least we knew you cared." I guess I can't ask for more than that.

Pambo · Waiting To Be Widowed

I didn't befriend my oldest until recently. She's got a son now so she's starting to "get" what I've been saying all these years. My son? Nope. I'm not his buddy. His buddies don't call him out mid-jerkiness & threaten to embarrass him even more if he doesn't stop. They also won't spank him in front of everybody. I also have this wonderful ability to make both kids cry by "being disappointed" in ther behavior.

Nope. I don't wanna be my kids friend until they're grown. Then I'll consider it....

Date: Wed Jan 18 10:13 2006

Gosh, no one told me I have to be their friend

My son is the type of guy I try to avoid!