Members Login
Username 
 
Password 
    Remember Me  
Post Info TOPIC: Politics and paychecks


The Good Witch Of The South

    



Status: Offline
Posts: 19309
Date:
Politics and paychecks


This just pisses me off beyond belief- vote on your raise, but let the people who earn 5 friggen bucks an hour not get a raise in 9 years!!


First:


WASHINGTON (AP) -- Despite record low approval ratings, House lawmakers Tuesday embraced a $3,300 pay raise that will increase their salaries to $168,500.


The 2 percent cost-of-living raise would be the seventh straight for members of the House and Senate.


Lawmakers easily squelched a bid by Rep. Jim Matheson, D-Utah, to get a direct vote to block the COLA, which is automatically awarded unless lawmakers vote to block it.


In the early days of GOP control of Congress, lawmakers routinely denied themselves the annual COLA. Last year, the Senate voted 92-6 to deny the raise but quietly surrendered the position in House-Senate talks.


As part of an ethics reform bill in 1989, Congress gave up their ability to accept pay for speeches and made annual cost-of-living pay increases automatic unless the lawmakers voted otherwise.


The pay issue has been linked to the annual Transportation and Treasury Department spending bill because that measure stipulates that civil servants get raises of 2.7 percent, the same as military personnel will receive. Under a complicated formula, the increase translates to 2 percent for members of Congress.


Like last year, Matheson led a quixotic drive to block the raise. He was the only member to speak on the topic.


"I do not think that it is appropriate to let this bill go through without an up or down vote on whether or not Congress should have an increase in its own pay," Matheson said.


But by a 249-167 vote, the House rejected Matheson's procedural attempt to get a direct vote on the pay raise.


The pay raise would also apply to the vice president -- who is president of the Senate -- congressional leaders and Supreme Court justices.


This year, Vice President Cheney, House Speaker Dennis Hastert and Chief Justice John Roberts receive $212,100. Associate justices receive $203,000. House and Senate party leaders get $183,500.


President Bush's salary of $400,000 is unaffected by the legislation.


 


Then:

House panel OKs minimum wage boost But proposal to raise rate to $7.25 an hour by the start of 2009 could get squashed before it reaches House floor. June 13, 2006: 6:35 PM EDT



WASHINGTON (Reuters) - A U.S. House of Representatives panel Tuesday voted to raise the U.S. minimum wage in increments to $7.25 an hour by Jan. 1, 2009.


The House Appropriations Committee backed the proposal by a vote of 32-27 during work on a massive fiscal 2007 funding bill for labor and health programs.

The surprise result came after seven Republicans on the committee supported the Democratic amendment.

But the legislation faces many hurdles, including possible efforts by Republican leaders to have the proposal stricken from the legislation, according to Republican and Democratic aides.


Under the proposal, which was offered by House Minority Whip Steny Hoyer, a Maryland Democrat, the current $5.15-per-hour federal minimum wage would rise in 70-cent increments starting Jan. 1, 2007. On that date, the minimum wage would be set at $5.85 and a year later it would go to $6.55 before topping off at $7.25 in 2009.


Opponents, using House rules, could argue that this change in law should not be attached to annual spending bills, such as the measure approved by the House Appropriations Committee.


For the last several years, Democrats have been pushing to raise the minimum wage, which has been static since 1997.


Republicans have blocked the move, claiming it would discourage hiring of low-skilled workers and hurt the economy.


The next step for the legislation will be the House Rules Committee, which will have to decide whether to "protect" the amendment as part of the bill or let any lawmaker object to it when the legislation hits the House floor.


"Hopefully, the Rules Committee will protect it and we're going to have a showdown on the minimum wage," Rep. George Miller of California, the senior Democrat on the House Education and Workforce Committee, told reporters.


Hoyer and Miller said there would be bipartisan support for raising the minimum wage for 7.3 million workers if a full debate was allowed on the House floor.


The Senate has not yet debated the fiscal 2007 labor and health spending bill



-- Edited by Ruby at 20:53, 2006-06-13

__________________
This_egg_hatches_on_04/05/06!_Adopt_one_today_from_pickle-green.com/egraphics!


Permanent Vacation



Status: Offline
Posts: 23086
Date:

Wait a second here!! Congressmen get $168k a year! And let's see, $5.15x40 hoursx 52 weeks= $10,712. So, the minimun wage salary is only two thirds larger than congress' raise. I'll bet those senators are really starving.

__________________

tumblr_maefr2j2Bt1rrd8d6o1_500.gif

 



The Good Witch Of The South

    



Status: Offline
Posts: 19309
Date:

PISSES ME OFF!

__________________
This_egg_hatches_on_04/05/06!_Adopt_one_today_from_pickle-green.com/egraphics!


Grand Poobah

    



Status: Offline
Posts: 36897
Date:

that. that right there. ithat s the power that be.

__________________
"And like Web, I enjoy throwing JR under the bus.  Problem is, it's usually under the special bus that I ride every day". Ghostdancer 12-18-09


2011 Super Bowl Champions!

Status: Offline
Posts: 29950
Date:

Sad part is that's chump change.

The real money comes from the bribes and kickbacks they get from the lobbyists.

Kind of ironic that they concern themselves with the issue that a hgiher minimum wage would stunt the growth of the economy and hurt small business. What's their real concern here? That there won't be enough tax revenue to keep giving themselves big fat yearly raises?

__________________


Grand Poobah

    



Status: Offline
Posts: 36897
Date:

I agree entirely the minumum raise hike would hurt small businesses that we need to thrive. Who are we helping here- the crackheads who know how to bake fries good? those too stupid to value education? And we hurt those who are willing to employ these folk?


But whenever this becomes an issue, its when the general american economy sucks in the first place.  Its bad all over. Them bottom-feeders could have done a better job at being better people than to have to rely on a minimum-wage job in the first place. minimum wage jobs are supposed to be for high-school and college age students who are either trying to buy that first car or pay for tuition.


granted, the fact that tuition doubles every 3 yrs or so, is an issue too...



__________________
"And like Web, I enjoy throwing JR under the bus.  Problem is, it's usually under the special bus that I ride every day". Ghostdancer 12-18-09


2011 Super Bowl Champions!

Status: Offline
Posts: 29950
Date:

I agree with you in part JD.

I think the purpose of the minimum wage job is as an ENTRY LEVEL position. Unfortunately that type of job is springing up more and more while high paying jobs are being done somewhere else.

Let's face it, this coutry is great at SELLING crap. Burger? Fries? Cheap Toilet Brush? We have all the clerk jobs you could want but the manufacturing jobs are increasingly elsewhere.

The part I don't agree with is that I think small business often, not always, but often uses the "minimum wage increases will shut me down" line as a crutch.

The bottom line is EVERYTHING in their business has gone up in price over the last two decades, INCLUDING what they charge their customers, but minimum wage hasn't kept up.

Someone working for $3.35 in 1986 was able to buy a lot more than someone working for $5.15 or whatever it is today.

__________________


Grand Poobah

    



Status: Offline
Posts: 36897
Date:

what I don't like is the value placed on an increasingly out of reach money-wise education, and then, for those who pull this off, not having the economy to support a need for these educated and in debt kids sold on the dream that hard work breeds success.


I have met folks with philosophy phds- one was a pizza maker, the other worked for Bonded Messenger, Riggs. how about them apples? the supply exceeded demand.  that should be the bible of higher education. the law of supply and demand.


p.s. I bet each of these cats was in debt $50,000 or more in 1993 money...



__________________
"And like Web, I enjoy throwing JR under the bus.  Problem is, it's usually under the special bus that I ride every day". Ghostdancer 12-18-09


2011 Super Bowl Champions!

Status: Offline
Posts: 29950
Date:

They were just talking on Fox news about how the debt load for college kids has never been worse.

College tuition just goes up and up, much faster than inflation, and often the jobs these degrees are for just don't pay enough to justify the education!

A 30,000 loan, even with the good student loan interest rate, will be a $300 a month payment for TEN YEARS! That's kind of hard to start a life with a second CAR PAYMENT basically!

And most students wind up with much more than a 30,000 debt.

There's no easy answer, but I assure you the financial world will not collapse with a higher minimum wage. What will happen is that those McNuggets will cost you, Mr. College edumacated, more money. But you'll be able to afford them because you have a better than minimum wage job, so it's all good.

__________________


Grand Poobah

    



Status: Offline
Posts: 36897
Date:

its the clash of what should be vs what is. I believe if I work 40 hrs a week, no matter what the job, the pay should allow me food, shelter, clothing. NOT paternaty for 19 kids, the crack habit, a burger-king burger diet and a bottle of cognac a day, obviously. And I realize this is idealism.... even government can't control the superior law of supply and demand. The government is not the economy. They are just leeches off it.


Riggs I am suprised how more and more you sound a bit more liberal as I sound a bit more conservative!!


I hate this "the world at the very least owes me a job" attitude. Who the hell is the world who owes you this job? And if I were a business owner, do you think that attitude would get you a 2nd interview? The world don't owe you jack-$*#, and you should be thankful each day a car-bomb doesn't go off in your the-world-owes-me face.



__________________
"And like Web, I enjoy throwing JR under the bus.  Problem is, it's usually under the special bus that I ride every day". Ghostdancer 12-18-09


The Good Witch Of The South

    



Status: Offline
Posts: 19309
Date:

Glad to see that I got you two talking!


 JD anyone with a doctorate that has a crappy low paying job, might get what they deserve! Come on- for the most part, college teaches you to learn, to multi-task, to work in groups and write. Most education programs, except technical or law/medicine, do not prepare you to do anything. It is up to the person who got the education to find a job that will pay for the amount of learning they can achieve.


 


And living off 11,000 is horrible!



__________________
This_egg_hatches_on_04/05/06!_Adopt_one_today_from_pickle-green.com/egraphics!


Grand Poobah

    



Status: Offline
Posts: 36897
Date:

I have often felt college did not make me smart, but it gave me smarts.

__________________
"And like Web, I enjoy throwing JR under the bus.  Problem is, it's usually under the special bus that I ride every day". Ghostdancer 12-18-09


The Good Witch Of The South

    



Status: Offline
Posts: 19309
Date:


WASHINGTON (AP) -- The Republican-controlled Senate refused Wednesday to raise the minimum wage, rejecting an election-year proposal from Democrats for the first increase in nearly a decade.


The vote was 52-46, eight short of the 60 needed.


"I don't think the Republicans get it," said Sen. Edward M. Kennedy, D-Massachusetts, who backed a proposal for a three-step increase in the current wage floor to $7.25 an hour. The federal minimum wage has been fixed at $5.15 an hour since 1997.


Republican critics said the minimum wage was a job killer, not the boon to low-wage workers portrayed by Democrats.


"This is a classic debate between two different philosophies. One philosophy believes in the marketplace, competition and entrepreneurship, and the second is a philosophy that says government knows best," said Sen. Johnny Isakson, R-Georgia. He said France and Germany have high minimum wages but also high unemployment.


But Kennedy and other advocates of an increase said minimum wage workers have been without a raise since 1997.


Underscoring the political context of the debate, he said if Democrats win the Senate this November, a minimum wage increase will be one of the first pieces of legislation to be considered.



__________________
This_egg_hatches_on_04/05/06!_Adopt_one_today_from_pickle-green.com/egraphics!


The Mediator

Status: Offline
Posts: 5356
Date:

That's ridiculous! I think each Senator that voted no should have to live on minimum wage for a month. They couldn't do it!!!

__________________


The Good Witch Of The South

    



Status: Offline
Posts: 19309
Date:

Woo Hoo! I knew I liked them Democrats for a reason!


 


WASHINGTON (CNN) -- A week after the GOP-led Senate rejected an increase to the minimum wage, Senate Democrats on Tuesday vowed to block pay raises for members of Congress until the minimum wage is increased.


"We're going to do anything it takes to stop the congressional pay raise this year, and we're not going to settle for this year alone," Democratic Leader Harry Reid of Nevada said at a Capitol news conference.


"They can play all the games the want," Reid said derisively of the Republicans who control the chamber. "They can deal with gay marriage, estate tax, flag burning, all these issues and avoid issues like the prices of gasoline, sending your kid to college. But we're going to do everything to stop the congressional pay raise."


The minimum wage is $5.15 an hour. Democrats want to raise it to $7.25. During the past nine years, as Democrats have tried unsuccessfully to increase the minimum wage, members of Congress have voted to give themselves pay raises -- technically "cost of living increases" -- totaling $31,600, or more than $15 an hour for a 40-hour week, 52 weeks a year, according to the Congressional Research Service.


In floor debate last week Republicans argued the raise for low-income workers would hurt small businesses. They offered an alternative measure to raise the minimum wage that was tied to tax breaks for small businesses.


The main proposal fell eight votes short of the 60 it needed to pass with 46 opposing; the alternative measure mustered only 45 votes in favor, while 53 senators opposed.


Reid wouldn't spell out the specific tactics he would employ to block the congressional pay raise -- which is triggered each year with the passage of an appropriations bill not by a vote on a stand alone bill to increase pay for members.


But he warned, "I know procedure's around here fairly well."



__________________
This_egg_hatches_on_04/05/06!_Adopt_one_today_from_pickle-green.com/egraphics!


Permanent Vacation



Status: Offline
Posts: 23086
Date:

Awesome! The congressmen are earning enough as it is, they should have to live like one of the rest of us.

But:
In floor debate last week Republicans argued the raise for low-income workers would hurt small businesses. They offered an alternative measure to raise the minimum wage that was tied to tax breaks for small businesses.
I am curious about this. It does sound that they are offering a solution.

But no matter what, their pay raise is ridiculous.

__________________

tumblr_maefr2j2Bt1rrd8d6o1_500.gif

 



2011 Super Bowl Champions!

Status: Offline
Posts: 29950
Date:

For once I agree with a Democrat. This is ridiculous that they won't raise minimum wage. It's not going to stop people from being able to get jobs, it's just gonna mean you can't get your heartattack 99 cents at a time anymore, it will cost you 1.19

__________________


Grand Poobah

    



Status: Offline
Posts: 36897
Date:

hey at least it sounds like its an issue. who ever came up with that idea is brilliant. Tie the minimum wage increase into a tax break for minimum wage employers. would that not encourage the growth of more small businesses???


ah but the cynic in me comes out. The minimum wage  has been a hotbed issue for at least 20 yrs. IF a bill were to ever be proposed and brought before congress, it'd be the attached provisions of free noodles for children and elderly, and a mandatory gun ownership law for all americans, that would shoot it down.



__________________
"And like Web, I enjoy throwing JR under the bus.  Problem is, it's usually under the special bus that I ride every day". Ghostdancer 12-18-09


Senior Member

Status: Offline
Posts: 108
Date:

Wow! I learned quite a bit just reviewing this one!


I'm not too terribly involved with the political side nor, can I say I have great business sense...


I have been working for thirty three years of my life. My first job, when I was twelve, paid $1 per hour. A twelve year old in '73 could do quite a bit with that kinda cash. At the same time, minimum wage was something like $1.65 per hour. Less than two times what I was making. (I was paid in cash also)


Presently, thinking of the min wage at $7.15 makes me get a bit pissed. A non-qualified person can start working at a job with less significance than mine and make almost as much as I do! (Real "take home" cash will be closer after taxes.)


It's hard to believe that a dollar used to actually buy quite a bit of stuff.


Smokes: .55, Gal of Gas:.59, Loaf of Bread: .39, Gal of Milk: .78 Penny candy? what's that? God, I'm old.


I'd better get going before I bum myself out too much.


one last thing... so, for the price of a small start home you can get educated at one of our universities. Beer bong, frat party, pregnant, ah, college life.


 


Peace.



__________________
sign here
Page 1 of 1  sorted by
 
Quick Reply

Please log in to post quick replies.

Tweet this page Post to Digg Post to Del.icio.us


Create your own FREE Forum
Report Abuse
Powered by ActiveBoard